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Check out the Pic on this link!
http://www.af.mil/stories/story.asp?storyID=123005098
a 5000 lb bomb can sure make one heck of a sunroof installation and room renovation tool. Wonder if I could use one on "Trading Spaces"?
 
Fighters are our salvation, But BOMBERS alone provide us with the means of VICTORY! - Winston Churchill
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That sunroof is nice and all, BUT how many Iraqi Soldiers did that bomb kill? How many Iraqi tanks did it disable?
Waste of $$$$$ IMO. Now we will have to pay to rebuild that damn place for the Iraqi's.[thdown]
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D-6,
Man, we just can't seem to ever see eye to eye on anything...well maybe a dislike of Pegleg...
Effects upon the battlefield are more than bodycounts and scorched tanks. Lets take a look at this targets results:
Troops - Probably everyone in the command bunker and the palace...command bunkers are like beehives for Col. types...
tanks - probably none
Money well spent - yes
How much was the loss of Command, control, and comm to the enemy? What would the effects have been had we not hit the target? Sure, whichever bomb they dropped could have hit a tank, but whats more valuable in the grand scheme of things, one tank or a C3 location? A snake cant fight without it's head. What would have been more cost effective? Sending in SpecOps? I would much rather fly a bomb into a target than send several Americans into and out of harms way to nutralize a target with unknown opposition.
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quote:
Originally posted by warpusher
D-6,
Man, we just can't seem to ever see eye to eye on anything...well maybe a dislike of Pegleg...
Effects upon the battlefield are more than bodycounts and scorched tanks. Lets take a look at this targets results:
Troops - Probably everyone in the command bunker and the palace...command bunkers are like beehives for Col. types...
tanks - probably none
Money well spent - yes
How much was the loss of Command, control, and comm to the enemy? What would the effects have been had we not hit the target? Sure, whichever bomb they dropped could have hit a tank, but whats more valuable in the grand scheme of things, one tank or a C3 location? A snake cant fight without it's head. What would have been more cost effective? Sending in SpecOps? I would much rather fly a bomb into a target than send several Americans into and out of harms way to nutralize a target with unknown opposition.
My two cents
Warpusher,
You must take Saddam and his Generals for fools. When President Bush and the US telegraphed our intent on going to war with Iraq and targeting him specifically MONTHS in advance, do you really think that he or anyone important for that matter was hanging around his palaces or Military HQ buildings? No, they all moved into bunkers underneath hospitals, private homes, schools, and mosques.
Secondly, why did we keep striking these targets repeatedly for days on end. Anyone STUPID enough to have been in the bldg would have either been killed or relocated to another location after the first bomb hit. Do you really think they are hiding out in places that they KNOW the USAF will target for destruction? Think about it. Grunts aren't as dumb as you think.....theirs or ours.
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Yes I know that Grunts worldwide aren't dumb, but sometimes they stay put in an area of danger because they are ordered/forced to. Classic examples are soldiers worldwide holding ground during artie bombardment. In order for Sadam to control his military, he had to know where the commanders were, and letting his commanders be able to move for their own defence wasn contrary to Sadam being the #1 showcaller.
Well, from the way that the war was conducted on the Iraqi side, they were pretty much fools. Anywhere the US goes we will telegraph our blows. We as a country don't randomly go sneak attacking countries...though there have been exceptions (Panama and the Almost Haiti in 94).
Secondly, the "cult of fear" that Sadam had created was such that even if his Generals/command would have wanted to get up and move, there were probably sadam loyalists watching the doors. Additionally, Soviet style C&C (like the Iraqis ran) does not entail itself to rapid and quick movement.
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Well, we can agree that Iraqi grunts were dumber than ours.[ ]
Actually we agree on more things than Shinseki, I just like to give you high-tech, air-conditioned, push-button warriors crap from time to time.[]
BTW: American Generals and staff are probably the only ones arrogant and dumb enough to occupy the same HQ TOC building in Kuwait for 10 years running and stay there during the war. Had that Patriot not hit that Scud, our entire command staff would have been 'decapitated' in one blow.
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quote:
Yes I know that Grunts worldwide aren't dumb, but sometimes they stay put in an area of danger because they are ordered/forced to. Classic examples are soldiers worldwide holding ground during artie bombardment.
There's a huge difference between soldiers holding a piece of key terrain against an enemy Army attack and some staff staying in a rear area HQ that is getting the **** bombed out of it by planes or missles.
The former is mission critical, the latter is suicide. Key terrain must be defended to keep the enemy from occupying it. That is why it is considered 'key' terrain.
Airplanes and missles can bomb a rear area HQ, but they can't occupy it or hold it, so why stay when the bombs start falling?
BTW, HQs and TOCs are not usually located on key terrain because higher level commanders don't like being attacked by enemy arty or soldiers.
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