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Posted 4/21/2008 8:30 AM


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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080421/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/gates_air_force

Kind of goes with this thread from last year:

Should the Air Force be abolished? 

Talk among yourselves! 


 
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Posted 4/21/2008 10:52 AM


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Shocked!! I am shocked I say!  The AF NOT doing enough??/ Really??? Hard to believe!

I say assign three squadrons of C-17s to Pope and transfer them over to the Army. Throw in me with the deal and you get a win-win situation!!

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Posted 4/21/2008 10:57 AM


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To look at Al's fruit salad on his chest you'ld think he was carrying the load for the whole Air Force, Afganistan, Iraq, sheese what does that Sec Def want?

Stand in the door! 

                                     

                                                                                          

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Posted 4/21/2008 11:01 AM


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Bro Uncle Sugar has hitched the wagon up to me for so long I'm just used to it. Now it's your turn!! Go get some o' that thar fruit salad!!

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Posted 4/21/2008 11:57 AM


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Well, I think one thing they could do right away is start sharing some of those fire support missions with the AF.  Just refit ICBMs with conventional warheads and when you have an HVT that needs to be hit within their time frame (I think the flight of a Minuteman III is something like 30 minutes) there you go!  The Army artillery guys can take the afternoon off because the Strategic Missile Squadron in Wyoming or Montana or North Dakota has their back. 

This would serve a number of goals:  The SAC missile people (or whatever they're calling them now - I know SAC itself has been gone for a decade or so) would get to participate in the war, we'd get some real-live calibration of our ICBMs, we'd get rid of some of our old missile components, and what a psychological blow they would strike with our enemies:  We can literally summon thunderbolts from the sky! 

And the cool thing is, if the AF were part of the Army, then the missileers in North Dakota would be entitled to the CAB because they fired on the enemy! 


 
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Posted 4/21/2008 12:04 PM


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Well, I think one thing they could do right away is start sharing some of those fire support missions with the AF.  Just refit ICBMs with conventional warheads and when you have an HVT that needs to be hit within their time frame (I think the flight of a Minuteman III is something like 30 minutes) there you go!  The Army artillery guys can take the afternoon off because the Strategic Missile Squadron in Wyoming or Montana or North Dakota has their back. 

This would serve a number of goals:  The SAC missile people (or whatever they're calling them now - I know SAC itself has been gone for a decade or so) would get to participate in the war, we'd get some real-live calibration of our ICBMs, we'd get rid of some of our old missile components, and what a psychological blow they would strike with our enemies:  We can literally summon thunderbolts from the sky! 

And the cool thing is, if the AF were part of the Army, then the missileers in North Dakota would be entitled to the CAB because they fired on the enemy! 

Given the rhetoric coming out of Moscow right now I think firing ICBMs from Montana and North Dakota would be seen as a little provocative.

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Posted 4/21/2008 6:53 PM


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Given the rhetoric coming out of Moscow right now I think firing ICBMs from Montana and North Dakota would be seen as a little provocative.

"Just Cause" they could.....pun intended!

Hey, task the CTC using the CMTC in the USEUCOM AOR and call it a JOE scenerio....

Yeah, what he said!

(Combat Training Centers)

(Combat Maneuver Training Center)

(Joint Operational Environment)

Why not, it's only roughly 13 million square miles including 91 countries and territories.

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Posted 4/22/2008 1:49 PM


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Having had a chance to read more of his comments he actually criticized all of the services for not embracing a greater use of UAVs.  He was speaking at the Air War College in Maxwell and zeroed in on the AF, but his message was actually meant for the bureaucracy of all of the services.

Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American GI.  One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.

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