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| Who would BS about an OTH ? Why mention it all ? If he is otherwise qualified I wouldnt let his poor military record from 20 years ago affect his employment prospects today. What should be more important is what does his civilian job history look like ? Does he job hop ?Is he on time fr work ? Does he do a good job ? Let the OTH go if eberything else looks good. My .02 .
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| I just said I would. However, it does state a lot about a person's character if they are let go with other than honorable conditions. We pride ourselves on trust and security for our clients. I said that I had another employee who was not sure about his Navy service. Sorry I asked for advice. I will make sure I don't make this mistake again
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mazzi (3/6/2008) His DD-214 shows a separation code of IIKA? I cannot make out the first letter. Re-enlistment code of RE-4. I am contacting a recruiter today about this one. I have another one who is unsure if he was in the Navy and the dates. I know, BS meter is going off on this one.Jen, this is going to be a HKA - pattern of misconduct separation code. I looked it up in BUPERSINST 1900.8 "Some folks never change and some do" - By unknown
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mazzi (3/6/2008)
I just said I would. However, it does state a lot about a person's character if they are let go with other than honorable conditions. We pride ourselves on trust and security for our clients. I said that I had another employee who was not sure about his Navy service. Sorry I asked for advice. I will make sure I don't make this mistake again Mazzi, don't be sorry for asking a question. Most answers are on target, the others, well......just blow them off. I thought your question was a good one. Ted
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| mazzi, you have a valid concern, especially if this person will be handling sensitive client data. However, tomahawk makes a good point and I don't think his intention was to put you down. I would imagine, most of us have all done stupid things that we're ashamed of and if caught we would have been in great trouble; this dumb bastard got caught. From all the replies, it sounds like an OTH is for minor issues and if his work history for the past 20 years has been satisfactory or higher, then you probably have a good guy. People change. On the other extreme, you could have one with an honorable discharge who has been a sh!tbag for the past 20 years. In my last unit, I had a fellow NCO who was hit pretty hard by life. Within a very short period of time, he had two deaths in family, fathered and supported a child out of wedlock while he was going through a nasty divorce which lasted almost three years, and had to take care of his elderly, sick grandmother. With all of this, his squadleader, who had no leader qualities whatsoever, tried to screw him for showing up late. My friend came to a point where he did not care anymore and just signed every conseling statement and Art.15 that they put in front of him. If the 1SG would not have intervened, this guy would have been booted. All I'm trying to say is that you have to take each case differently. We never know the exact circumstances and most people deserve a second chance. If he has a crappy work history, however, burn him. Good luck. 
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mazzi (3/6/2008) His DD-214 shows a separation code of IIKA? I cannot make out the first letter. Re-enlistment code of RE-4. I am contacting a recruiter today about this one. I have another one who is unsure if he was in the Navy and the dates. I know, BS meter is going off on this one.Jen, this is going to be a HKA - pattern of misconduct separation code. I looked it up in BUPERSINST 1900.8 "Some folks never change and some do" - By unknown So, in essence, he was a bit of a screw-up, enough to get booted out of the Navy but not enough to get court martialed and BCD'd. I'd think if if was me doing the hiring and there wasn't anything else in his employment record that made me suspicious, I'd let it slide. People do dumb things when they're young, no need to hold it against him for the rest of his life. Incidentally, you might recommend to him that he get in contact with his local VA or VFW reps, I think he can apply for an upgrade to his discharge if he meets certain qualifications.
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| The point that I raised, really hasn't been picked up. In my time in service, I have seen NCO's busted a grade for some serios infractions. But, when someone goes all the way down to E-1 after 2 years of service, that is usually a big red flag. I would ask what the highest rank he was in service along with other service related questions. Just my IMHO.
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If the Navy is the same as the Army he was probably an E-4 at most. If it was continuing problems he probably wouldn't have gotten that high. Ongoing problems would probably have kept him from getting above E-3, although when I was in the Army E-3 was automatic after a year.
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