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khyros (12/16/2007) This chaplain is stepping over the line they aren't supposed to cross...Plain and simple.
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| Even simpler, you could just tell her that you know the devil personally and, if she so desires, I'd be happy to send her to hell. You could also just ask her why, seeing the things she has, she still believes in God. That country and Constitution to which both you and she swore an oath, it was founded so that its constituents may have not only freedom OF religion, but freedom FROM religion. She needs to be reminded of that since she's so blatantly overstepped her bounds, and I believe a talk with your CoC is definitely in order.
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LLDS,RCG 1st Sig Bde. 31JAN1968 104535N 1063940E(XS816898) "The young dead soldiers do not speak. Nevertheless, the are heard in the still houses...We were young, they say. We have died. Remember us." Archibald MacLeish
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Hang in there, and do not let her get to you. It is one thing in her position to be there for the troops, to give them the support of their beliefs. It is another to call into the beliefs and abilities of any troop based on their beliefs. It is not in her job description to convert a soldier, and to question their abilities because they do not believe as she does.

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| No point in antagonizing a superior officer but she is obviously outside of her lane here. However, this Chaplain has decided that not only should I have developed a belief in God at this point, but that my excluding myself from her pre-mission prayer in a sign of disrespect, and is “poisoning the young minds of the Soldiers and NCO’s who look up to me for guidance.” She has expressed wonder at “how I could not have developed a belief after what I have seen so far during this deployment”, and has expressed a need to discuss my problems with my chain of command. What is there to discuss?
She said that to you? That sounds an awful lot like she is interfering with your duties as an NCO (you are an NCO, right? Couldn't remember if you were an NCO or an officer but most of the officers here identify themselves as such.) If she keeps putting this kind of pressure on I think a chat with the COC is an excellent idea. Hopefully the Battalion commander will have a little "one on one" talk with her and explain that your job is stressful enough, she doesn't need to add to it. I'm a little surprised our resident chaplain Sky Pilot hasn't jumped into this thread. Maybe it should be crossposted over in the religion section?
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| I can feel your pain, Tuffie. I really can. I have yet to figure out the hypocrisy in GO1B in as much as it prohibits prostlytising and yet every time I turn around on the FOB there's a Chaplain trying to cram his belief's down my throat. I grew up Lutheran, but now go more of the agnostic route. Through either manifestations of beliefs, I am thoroughly against outward displays of religious fervor. I generally enjoy engaging the Chaplain that goes with me out to the other side on the city on convoy in religious, if not moral and ethical discussuions. For example, could he, or WOULD he marry two troops in his chapel on Salerno just because they wanted to be able to fvck each other without violating the G.O. and so on. My former squad leader is one of those "born-again" types that irritate me, and he's constantly pushing religion and so on. A particularly unnerving instance was just the last week. After I returned from a mission in which the two Troops from 173 were Killed in an IED attack. The next day, before heading down toward Shkin and working my way up the border out here, he pulled me and my troop aside and went through a diatribe that had to do with whether or not we would be as happy to leave Afghanistan to move on to the afterlife, as we would to simply re-deploy. I've learned to tune him out when he starts on that stuff, but my Joe was shook. I politely told him to not worry, he's just like that. A valid point was brought up about the EO/hostile work environment, but I'm not sure I'd take it that far. At the risk of a religious considerations class for the entire battallion, I'd have an offline talk with the EO guy. And BTW "cross"?? Pun intended?

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Tell her that you are a dislexic atheist and you don't believe in dog.
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Well as someone who is thinking about going into the Chaplaincy I can tell you its wrong for anyone to push God/Jesus down your throat. That is certainly not the way to win people over. I think we all have our own soul searching that we do and at some point we either choose to believe in God or not. Regardless we were given free will and that includes drawing our on conclusions about the great order of the universe. It is too bad that there are those that would force their beliefs on anyone else. Certainly every good chaplain, preacher and minister I have known has always been willing to teach but has let their life be a true testament to their faith.
Don't let one person who drifted out of their lane shed a negative light on the rest of us. If I used that logic then the female species would have all been declared insane many years ago.
Chaplains face a difficult mission in that they each have their own faith group which they draw their beliefs from. Yet they must also be neutral in tending to the needs of soldiers from varying faith groups and or beliefs. If someone inquires more about a particular belief then certainly the Chaplain is open to put out the information.
I guess where I stand is I put out the information I have been given and let the chips fall where they lay.
Judgment is not for a man/woman to pass down on another person religiously speaking. I could go on and on but I hope you see what I am getting at. I would respectfully tell the Chappy to stay in her lane. I am sure your chain of command would understand and respect your point of view.
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