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Posted 12/6/2007 8:19 AM


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So, my kids have been talking about seeing this Golden Compass movie and I have to admit before this week I was all set to go take them to it because I enjoy a good scifi/fantasy picture as well. Now all of a sudden Im getting boycott emails about the film and the book series being done by an athiest with an apparent agenda to not just make a fantasy book series but to put in what appears to be a lot of anti-God sentiment as part of the characters and plot line.

From what I am hearing this film is based on the least inflamatory of the books and of course the film tones down or gets rid of the parts the filmmakers believe would have been really bad to the Christian community but I guess the question is...

Do you go see a movie, bearing in mind that its fantasy and walk like it or dislike it just as any other movie that has its own opinions?

My kids are 10 and 12 and I get the impression that they could sit down and see this without feeling like its questioning thier beliefs just as they didnt walk out of Lord of the Rings and wonder if there were ever really hobbits, wizards, elfs etc.

Do you boycott the movie on some principal that we are making a statement that athiest have no right making films questioning what we think is right?

I guess my conflict is that I am pretty sure that my kids are not so shaky in thier faith that they would sit for 2 hours and then start questioning the existance of the almighty but of course why invite the conversation if you can avoid it?

Part of me says that if your faith cant take a little debate, your beef shouldnt be with the athiest story guy but rather your own level of commitment.

Maybe taking the kids to see a fantasy movie as a family and discussing the situation would be far better than making it tabboo and making it seem like we're scared of looking at someone elses opinion for fear of risking our own.

Well, Im looking to see what is going on with the others around here, whats your take, your opinion?

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Posted 12/6/2007 10:14 AM


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Well... the books are heavily biased toward athiesm but the screenplay was heavily modified because of concerns by the studio who didn't want to make a statement of any sort. From what I understand, the worry is that kids will want to read the books after seeing the flick.

 

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Posted 12/6/2007 10:19 AM


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The author of the book is an avowed atheist, who has stated (seriously) that his books are "about killing God".

Well what is a topic like this without a Snopes rference..

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp


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Posted 12/6/2007 10:21 AM


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wonder if there were ever really hobbits, wizards, elfs etc

Next you'll be telling them there is no Santa Claus.

Seriously, most films have storylines that include the philosophy and beliefs of those involved in the film from the author to the actors. I choose not to go see Redacted or other anti war films for that reason. But I will watch Elf that tells all about the "magic" of Christmas and the secret existence of Santa.

You could always use the fil as an excuse to discuss things with your kids, which is always a good idea anyway. I didn't want my children believing all cops were like Dirty Harry and now I don't want my grandkids thinking that all crimes are solved in one hour or at most two by forensic scientists because regular cops don't know how to detect evidence the way they show it on my favorite tv show CSI.

Hopefully you take them to church fairly regularly so that they can gain the knowledge tht they need to make their decisions on what to beleive as they grow. Too many abdicate that duty and claim they are going to let their kids make up their own minds when they grow up but don't give them the information that they need to make those decisions.

That's the same reason we send them to school when they are kids; to gain the knowledge they need to make their life decisions as they grow up. I doubt most of us would have even bothered to learn to read as adults if our parents had let us make that choice on our own as children.

 

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Posted 12/6/2007 10:29 AM


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I have not seen the movie, nor have I read the books.

But, the dilemma is an interesting one.  I don't like seeing or reading things that attack my faith.  That is a personal choice.

Some religions, have strong opposition to anything that degrades or attacks their principles.  We don't see that much of it in the Christian community.

I think that dialog would be the course of action for you. 

In any event, "may the force be with you".

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Posted 12/6/2007 10:43 AM


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This is a repost of what I wrote on another military forum (Military Association of Geocachers).
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Hmmmm,

My 10 year old son has already read the book. Well before this media issue was raised.

I am not an overly religious individual. I have my faith and it comes in many forms. I have my faith in my fellow soldier, I have my faith in my own skills, I have my faith in my weapon in hand. And I have my faith in God. But, my faith in god does not translate to my faith in the various religious factions by denomination. I've been teaching my children not only about God, but about other religions. Partly so that they grow up with an understanding that not everyone believes in the same thing. I'm also not force feeding my views on them. But rather trying to educate them so that they can make their own decisions about faith when the feel they are ready.

I said all that so that you may understand where I'm coming from with the below.

Based upon the previews I've seen on television this is a fantasy movie. If I recall right the Harry Potter movies were also blacklisted by many of the church for teaching witchcraft. As have been many other fantasy type movies. If the church really believes that one movie or set of books is going to drive children away from the church into disbelieving in God, then I'm sorry for them. They have so little faith in their own faith that they a movie like this or a book is really going to make the difference with the child. Moreover, that the parents care so little about their faiths that the children will not believe in God just because of a fantasy movie.

I've skimmed through the book for the last 30 minutes and so far don't find any reference directly to Adam or Eve. I do see where there are some direct digs at "The Church" although there is no specific religion I see mentioned.

What I do see is the fantasy of witches, warring animals (ala Narnia), magical spells, and other make believe characters. Talking bears to be specific. It also does appear to be more darker then some of the previous children's movies of this ilk. It seems to deal with death more then the make believe that nothing ever dies.

So I'll spend the next couple of nights and read parts of it and make my decision. Right now I'm leaning toward actually taking my oldest son (10 years old) but not you youngest (8 years old). If nothing else and the movie is truly made to try and convert the religious then it will be a great movie to use to have further discussions with my son.

Just my 2 cents from a guy that doesn't go to church but when he feels the urge to get closer to God (then just talking to him) goes out into the woods and watches the sun rise or set and glories in what he made. To me that is truly the house of God.

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Now to add to that here.

The term "Killing God" as referenced does not mean the killing of God. Why, pretty simple. As stated the author is an avowed atheist. Therefore he does not believe in God. So you can't kill what you don't believe exists. His referenced is meant to be that he is trying to disuade individuals (in particular children) that the concept of God is false and therefore they should not believe in God.

Unfortunately, I spent most of my adult life defending the rights of individuals to free speach and freedom of religion (or lack there of). So what ever his public forum might be so be it. From a literary standpoint after spending about 2 hours reading various parts of the book, its not bad and I can understand how the kids who are into fantasy would enjoy it.

From a parents standpoint, I've decided that I will take my oldest son to see the movie. If nothing else it will afford me the opportunity to have more discussions about "Faith" not religion.

I guess you can all tell that I do believe in God, I believe in Christianity, but I have a real dislike for the various denominations that have IMO (not even humble about it) screwed up the faith with all of the in house bickering.

In the end we can either forcefeed "Religion" to our kids in the hope that they will blindly follow. Which in my experience tends to backfire in the teen and early twenties. Or we can educate our kids about "Faith" and morality, and justice, and compassion and tollerance and hope that we have provided them with all of the tools to grow up to make compentent decisions and support society.


Now a word for the parents from one who is trying not to make mistakes raising his own. Don't blindly follow the crap out there. Either go with them and use it as an educational tool, read the book and make an informed decision, or particiapte in discussions with those that you trust. If you haven't noticed none of the major "Churches" or "Religious Leader" have really taken a stand on this. Only some obscure people. So make informed decision and don't just be a follower because of some flame mail or blog.

Which would you rather have. A shared experience with your kids where you can use is as an educational tool, or to tell them know becuase of a reason that you personally can not confirm. We as paratroopers all know we don't like being told we can not do something. We tend to want to do it anyway and with more passion. Your kids are going to be influence by the movie even if they don't see it just by other kids in school that have seen it and have discussions. So then were do they learn. I'm not professing that you should or should not let them go. Just saying that don't be a lemming.




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Posted 12/6/2007 1:14 PM


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ArcticAbn, nail on the head.
I remember when the first LOTR came out and Harry Potter 1 film was out around the same time. Kids were asking whether they should see the Potter one. My friend kept telling them that Potter was of the devil because they used magic.
The kids would then ask what Gandalf was doing in LOTR. My buddy, desperate to defend his position said that he was saying prayers, not using magic.
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The whole meat-or-no-meat argument. If you think your faith can handle some criticism, then test it. If you think you might hurt someone else by going, then don't. How do you hurt someone else? And who?
That's for the individual to consider. We were meant to think for ourselves, not to act like robots who respond to rules in a blind fashion. It's easier to live like a robot, but it's a lot less fun. And as soldiers, I hope we can all relate. Love god with your mind. We tend to leave that one out.






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