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 By Rick Maze - Staff writer
Posted : Sunday Jun 3, 2007 17:34:23 EDT
The House Armed Services Committee does not want the Navy and Air Force to reinvent ground combat training to prepare their people for deployments to Iraq. “The committee is very concerned about the creep of nontraditional missions, such as ground combat skills, into the Navy and Air Force and the resulting potential weakening of those services’ core competency skills,” the committee says in its report accompanying the 2008 defense authorization bill. The report notes that sailors and airmen are being asked to deploy to Iraq and Afghanistan for missions that historically have belonged to ground combat troops, such as driving trucks, protecting convoys and providing base security. These assignments could diminish with the manpower increases in the Army and Marine Corps included in the 2008 budget, the committee says. The House and Senate versions of the defense policy bill would add 36,000 soldiers and 9,000 Marines above the Bush administration’s budget request, which had assumed increases of 7,000 people for the Army and 5,000 for the Marine Corps. “The committee remains concerned that the budget request for the active components of the Army and the Marine Corps is too low for the current requirements placed on those services by the national security strategy,” the report says. For the Navy and Air Force to help out in a pinch is fine, the committee says, as long as the help is considered temporary. “Jointness dictates that the services operate within their core competencies and seek the expertise of the service whose skills lie in a particular competency,” the report says. “While training of sailors and airmen in ground combat skills may be a necessity given current combat operations, the committee believes it should be treated as an exception rather than a reason to establish permanent training.” But permanent training is exactly what the Navy and Air Force have been considering. The Navy is planning its own eight-week course for all sailors assigned to the Navy Expeditionary Combat Command that will focus on movement, shooting, communicating and first aid. The report said the Navy is planning to set up East Coast and West Coast training courses. The Air Force already has a combat training course for airmen at an Army base in Texas, Camp Anderson-Peters. The base, formerly known as Camp Bullis, was named for two airmen killed in Iraq while doing convoy security.
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Interesting.  I wouldn’t give a bean To be a fancy pants Marine I’d rather be a dogface soldier like I am… I wouldn’t trade my old ODs for all the Navy’s dungarees For I’m the walking pride of Uncle Sam On all the posters that I read it says the Army builds men So they’re tearing me down to build me over again .... Old Army Song
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permanent Grunt duty
------------------------------------------------------------ Out of every 100 men, ten shouldn't even be there, Eighty are just targets, Nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." - Hericletus, circa 500 BC -----------------------------------------------------------
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Actually it is the House Armed Services Comittee stating they do not want the AF and Navy spending more time or money on ground combat training...
Not a traditional role? Takes away from the core skills? Well, let's take a look back through history to see where they are off the mark on that one.
Navy construction battallions, medics, UDT, special boat units, etc... are not the creation of the War in Iraq, nor are ParaRescue, Combat Contolers, etc.. for the Air Force. Reeks of another roundabout attack from the Dimocrats.
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Obama (egotistical): “Now the world will watch and remember what we do here”
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During WWII, especially in the Pacific Islands, many Navy and AF Servicemen found themselves fighting with the Infantry because the Air Craft or Sea Craft were destroyed by the Japs. Nothing wrong with training, actual deployment is a matter of circumstances. I was in a Recon Plt with the 40th Armor in Korea. The 40th was first strike Armor, we had to have hands on knowledge of some of the Tankers duties in case of attack and were needed to crew the Tanks. Just makes common sense to me.
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This all goes back to the arguements that we used to have at the CU Vets Association, which I happened to be a member of (92-95'), VP 93-94', President (94 - Spg 95'). These Arguements usually came from the AF guys who worked on the flightline saying shit like, "they didn't need to do anything like Infantry stuff at all" or "all that Combat Arms stuff like Infantry, Armor, Cav Scouts, etc was beneath them" now whose crying now I ask you? I would always counter this one members smugass comments, he was an F-16 ground crewman, that "who would they rely on when shit Hit the Fan" and "they're Oh so Vaunted SP's had they're asses handed to them on a Silver Platter?" I would always get that Ugh Ugh Dumbass Look from him, cause he knew that I asked him the question that he nailed his ass; I always told him .. the only thing that bails you Fvckers Out is the Infantry be it Army or Marines and you Fvcking Know It, you're just too stupid to admit the Truth.Coffee Time I've Been Neglecting Myself..
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| Fuck the Air Force and the Navy... They may be pulling "non-traditional" duty, but they're still doing it on THEIR timeline... 6 months max, for the most part. None of which is to take anything away from the bubbas pulling the duty, who I definitely feel for. They're totally NOT set up for success, which is why their respective services are building the training capability. Trouble is - The training should be JOINT, just like the deployed environment is. Having Navy and AF types train the guys is just freakin' IGNORANT, at best.
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Trouble is - The training should be JOINT, just like the deployed environment is. Having Navy and AF types train the guys is just freakin' IGNORANT, at best.
Sounds like the same DOD from 25 years back.... ......wore green clothes and black boots and tried to pound big square pegs into little round holes with boken hammers......then I escaped.
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