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HH6/Resident Beerwench
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I fully respect you and fellow officers of the law. You have a tough job to do with very little respect. I hope things go well for you. Maybe you can come up here to Ohio. We need some more good cops up here
- "Hundreds of thousands of American servicemen and women are deployed across the world in the war on terror. By bringing hope to the oppressed, and delivering justice to the violent, they are making America more secure. "
George W. Bush
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BS6's Dude
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| I would suggest you not come on a paratrooper site and talk about being "SF." Some of us on here are former or current USAF paratroopers who believe there is no such thing as "SF" in the USAF - REGARDLESS of what they want to call themselves, or how good a job they do with their Force Protection duties. Some of us think use of the term "SF" by USAF Security PO-leece is an example of making more out of yourself than what you are - just like when they stole the Blue Beret from the Combat Controllers, back in the day. Good luck with this situation. I sincerely hope it works out in your favor.
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FNG
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JR (3/10/2007)
I would suggest you not come on a paratrooper site and talk about being "SF." Some of us on here are former or current USAF paratroopers who believe there is no such thing as "SF" in the USAF - REGARDLESS of what they want to call themselves, or how good a job they do with their Force Protection duties. Some of us think use of the term "SF" by USAF Security PO-leece is an example of making more out of yourself than what you are - just like when they stole the Blue Beret from the Combat Controllers, back in the day. Good luck with this situation. I sincerely hope it works out in your favor. SF is not meant as a brag or anything. Just what is common in the field. Most of the time we prefer SP. In my unit nobody assumes that they are paratroopers or anything like that. Some of us have been to the schools and proudly wear those wings. I couldn't wrangle a slot to ABN school since my MOS (11H) was not considered one that they had slots for. They mainly wanted 11B/C to go when I was at Campbell 88-92. I had to settle for my bullwinkle's instead. I fully understand what SF really means. Half of my career was active army infantry. Hope all is forgiven for my misuse of the vernacular here.
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Hard Charger
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I guess I've been in a joint secuity environment for a while, Security Forces was the only thing that came to mind IGOTTAGETBACKTOBRAGG!!!!
"...my religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me." He added, after a pause, looking me full in the face: "That is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave" General "Stonewall" Jackson
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Regular Joe
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I do not know if the LaVergne City Council ever passed the proposed ordinance (I'll have to check on that Monday) but it appears that the City was well aware that if an "offender" (their words) refused to sign a citation for a traffic offense, the correct response of the officer is to make a formal arrest. The City had legislation pending in 1999 to extend the same rule to Animal Control and Fire/Building Code violations: October 28, 1999 Captain Carl McMillen Police Department City of LaVergne 5093 Murfreesboro Road LaVergne, Tennessee 37086 VIA FACSIMILE Dear Carl: After I talked with you this morning, I checked your Code of Ordinances, and in fact it does not include the standard language that we usually suggest to cover Citations In Lieu of Arrest and Ordinance Summonses. I found the appropriate language, and the two sections that would need to be added to your code by the Board of Mayor and Aldermen, using the normal ordinance adoption procedure, are attached. The citation language extends the type of citation process that you’re familiar with for traffic violations to violations of the fire code and building code, and allows the Board to designate the officials responsible for that enforcement, assuming it’s not the Police Department, as special police officers. This is done under authority granted in TCA 7-63-101 et seq. The ordinance summons section applies to animal control, sanitation and litter control. The difference between a citation and an ordinance summons is that if the violator refuses to sign the ordinance summons, the enforcement official (if they’re not a police officer) has to go get a police officer to make the arrest. This authority comes from TCA 7-63-201 et seq. Looking at your code, I’ve numbered these as sections 6-108 and 6-109, but whoever prepares ordinances for your Board’s consideration may have a different idea about that. I passed your request for a performance evaluation form/process on to Rex, and he’ll get back to you on that. Please call if you need any further help on any of this. Sincerely yours, Jim Finane Special Projects Consultant
6-108. Citations in lieu of arrest in non-traffic cases. Pursuant to Tennessee Code Annotated, ' 7‑63‑101, et seq., the board of mayor and aldermen appoints the _______________ in the fire department and the ______________________ in the building department special police officers having the authority to issue citations in lieu of arrest. The _________________ in the fire department shall have the authority to issue citations in lieu of arrest for violations of the fire code adopted in title 7, chapter 2 of this municipal code of ordinances. The ______________ in the building department shall have the authority to issue citations in lieu of arrest for violations of the building, utility and housing codes adopted in title 12 of this municipal code of ordinances. The citation in lieu of arrest shall contain the name and address of the person being cited and such other information necessary to identify and give the person cited notice of the charges against him, and state a specific date and place for the offender to appear and answer the charges against him. The citation shall also contain an agreement to appear, which shall be signed by the offender. If the offender refuses to sign the agreement to appear, the special officer in whose presence the offense was committed shall immediately arrest the offender and dispose of him in accordance with Tennessee Code Annotated, ' 7-63-104. It shall be unlawful for any person to violate his agreement to appear in court, regardless of the disposition of the charge for which the citation in lieu of arrest was issued. 6-109. Summonses in lieu of arrest. Pursuant to Tennessee Code Annotated, ' 7-63-201, et seq., which authorizes the board of mayor and aldermen to designate certain city enforcement officers the authority to issue ordinance summonses in the areas of sanitation, litter control and animal control, the board designates the ____________ in the ________________ department and the ____________________ in the _____________ department to issue ordinance summonses in those areas. These enforcement officers may not arrest violators or issue citations in lieu of arrest, but upon witnessing a violation of any ordinance, law or regulation in the areas of sanitation, litter control or animal control, may issue an ordinance summons and give the summons to the offender.
The ordinance summons shall contain the name and address of the person being summoned and such other information necessary to identify and give the person summons notice of the charge against him, and state a specific date and place for the offender to appear and answer the charges against him. The ordinance summons shall also contain an agreement to appear, which shall be signed by the offender. If the offender refuses to sign the agreement to appear, the enforcement officer in whose presence the offense occurred may (1) have a summons issued by the clerk of the city court, or (2) may seek the assistance of a police officer to witness the violation. The police officer who witnesses the violation may issue a citation in lieu of arrest for the violation, or arrest the offender for failure to sign the citation in lieu of arrest. If the police officer makes an arrest, he shall dispose of the person arrested as provided in ' 6-106 above. It shall be unlawful for any person to violate his agreement to appear in court, regardless of the disposition of the charge for which the ordinance summons was issued.
Municipal code reference Issuance of citations in lieu of arrest in traffic cases: title 15, chapter 7.
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Seasoned Vet
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Tnrobocop, it's amazing what a camera doesn't pick-up...such as things beneath or beyond it's field of view, or things hidden from direct view but heck any Civil Rights know it all has x-ray vision and even though they weren't there can tell you exactly what happened...yeah right! I hope this is investigated by an "impartial" party and resolved justly without race or other bias against you. I have no desire to work the road just for these reasons, it's ashame that your Lt. cannot be charged with a violation of law and removed from Law Enforecement since he appears to be the type of Jackass that ruins the profession...perhaps a civil suit against him might be appropriate in the future. Thank you for doing you job and having to put up with violators, incompetent supervisors and second guessing media jerks. Stay strong bro.
Stand in the door!
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