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This is getting good! If we are not sinners by nature, why would we five in to all those things that tempt us? What causes us to make the 'wrong' choices? If inherent greed and all those other things don't point to a sinful nature, what do they point to?
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I think just by having the temptations there cause us to sin, knowingly and unknowingly. We all like the "car wreck" where once we see it, we keep looking at it because it is there. I am not sure how we can stop causing unintential sinning because we are after all human and we do make mistakes. The intentional ones are simple enough, stop doing them.
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| Heh... whole can of worms that question. Sure, you can attempt to isolate yourself from society ala monastic enclaves or oaths of one type or another but that tact always fails miserably... more repressed a person is, the more deviant they become (my theory as to why the ragheads are so fricking whacked...) which is why I have zero trust in such people who profess or espouse to live in that fashion. All goes back to the idea of fighting the good fight... if you were raised in a proper fashion than you know what is right and what is wrong. Being a good Christian is living up to those values even when no one is looking. No one on this Earth can say that they are totally free from sin... but many can point to the fact that they have regret for decision they have made or that they changed their path as a means of redeeming themselves. To be honest, I doubt any person could honestly say they do not commit unconscious sin because we do possess instincts... for instance, my lovely neighbor was out gardening in a rather skimpy attire last Summer... I sure as hell noticed but I certainly would not have gone out there and seduced her.
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[b]Ted (12/15/2006 In its simplest form, it comes down to the apple. One was told not to partake in the fruits of the tree, but temptation was stronger than the will to resist. Sin is doing something wrong, when you know what is right. However, when faced with 2 wrongs, we have to choose which is more right. In that case, are we sinners? Does it come down to the apple, or the eating of the apple (willful disobedience to God's command)? Back to James 1:14 - ..we sun when we are drawn away (the temptation part) by OUR OWN evil desire (temptation mixes with inherent sinfulness). I don't believe that the first couple has this inherent 'evil desire'. Man was still in a perfect state in God's perfect environment. Since the 'eating of the apple' every human born has this 'inherent sinfulness'. Adam was not a sinner by nature, but willfully disobeyed, whereas every human since is a sinner by nature. Adam was physically and spiritually alive, but since the fall, we are born spiritually dead.
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But doesn't temptation imply enticiement? One cannot be 'enticed' if one makes decisions based on just the facts presented, like Dr. Spock, for whom everything wa a matter of pure logic and therefore never made a bad decision. If I can be enticed at all, it implies there is something inside me that is attracted to the wrong thing. And what makes a thing wrong anyway?
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Bad example... ever see the episode when Spock went into heat? Vulcans go crazy at mating time... 
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But doesn't temptation imply enticiement? One cannot be 'enticed' if one makes decisions based on just the facts presented, like Dr. Spock, for whom everything wa a matter of pure logic and therefore never made a bad decision. If I can be enticed at all, it implies there is something inside me that is attracted to the wrong thing. And what makes a thing wrong anyway? If you hurt someone while sinning, it is wrong. Whether that be your spouse, your place of work or a family member, it is wrong.
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Agreed. and the sin itself, is it wrong also? Or just wrong if you hurt someone?
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