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Posted 9/25/2006 5:45 PM


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I don't know the particulars.But I do know a man I worked with place and name will remain withheld who watched a Iraqi kill one of his troops,and the powers that be tried to "hem up" him and his troops for responding,by putting a round in the Iraqi.    And know of another who was told,verbatim "I want him dead", by a senior NCO when a Iraqi tried but failed to throw a gren-   ade into their position.The troop in question ran the enemy down with a buddy and they waxed him.We don't want to be them but,they are the enemy,some are obvious and others are  ridin' the fence so to speak.These commanders are not there,   and I have seen for my self,leaders who are in the mix,but have 0 clue to what was seen by the leader of the element.    To me it sounds as though,some of these guys are getting thier hands tied,but asked in the same breath to fight,too.Plus,how many Iraqi's you think,would say they look good if they falsely report something,to undermine our ability to engage the enemy.Unless I knew more I say they smoked 'em,'cause they had 'em.Out.

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Posted 9/26/2006 4:25 AM


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Marines to Face Courts-Martial

Associated Press

September 26, 2006

SAN DIEGO

Three Marines from Camp Pendleton will face courts-martial on murder and kidnapping charges in the death of an Iraqi man in the town of Hamdania, the Marine Corps said Monday. Gen. James Mattis, the commanding general in the case, said he would not seek the death penalty. The three were among seven Marines and one Navy corpsman charged with kidnapping and murdering 52-year-old Hashim Ibrahim Awad last April. The other five face preliminary hearings in coming weeks. Pfc. John J. Jodka, 20, Cpl. Marshall L. Magincalda, 23, and Lance Cpl. Jerry E. Shumate, 21, will also face charges including conspiracy, housebreaking and wrongfully seizing and holding a victim against his will. No dates were set for the courts-martial. The Marines Corps dropped some charges against the three, including an assault charge against Magincalda and Shumate. Jodka had charges of making a false official statement, larceny and wrongfully endeavoring to impede an investigation dropped. Joseph Casas, an attorney for Jodka, said he was pleased. "(Jodka) is looking forward to getting a fair court martial and moving this forward as expeditiously as possible," Casas said. "Every day he sits in there in limbo is a day behind bars that he doesn't spend with his family." Attorneys for Magincalda and Shumate did not immediately return phone messages seeking comment. According to prosecutors, the Marines and sailor kidnapped Awad on April 26, bound his feet, dragged him from his home and shot him to death in a roadside hole. Jodka is accused of firing on Awad. Magincalda is suspected of binding Awad's feet and kidnapping him. Shumate is suspected of firing his M-16 at Awad, then lying to investigators about what had happened. Court documents do not spell out a possible motive, but say the group went looking for a known terrorist. When they couldn't find one, the documents say, they entered Awad's home and took him against his will. Marine spokesman Maj. Jeff Nyhart said the courts-martial of the three men would not influence whether the other five troops are ordered to stand trial. "Each case is separate and based on its own merits," Nyhart said. Since the start of the Iraq war in 2003, at least 14 members of the U.S. military have been convicted in connection with the deaths of Iraqis. Two received sentences of up to life in prison, while most others were given little or no jail time.






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Posted 9/26/2006 2:18 PM


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Thankyou for the intel.If they are wrong,well we don't want to become terroists ourselves.All I can say.Thankyou,Ma'am.

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Posted 10/5/2006 3:36 AM


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Not Guilty Pleas From 2 Marines in Iraqi's Death

Thursday, October 5, 2006; A24

Two Marines pleaded not guilty Wednesday to murdering an Iraqi civilian in Hamdaniya and then trying to cover up the crime.

The pleas marked the beginning of court-martial proceedings at Camp Pendleton in California for eight servicemen charged in the April incident. Pfc. John J. Jodka and Cpl. Marshall L. Magincalda are accused of breaking into the home of Hashim Ibrahim Awad, 52, taking him out to a hole, shooting him and then planting a shovel and a gun nearby to make him look like an insurgent. Jodka is one of five Marines accused of firing at Awad, though all eight are charged with murder.

Jodka and Magincalda face up to life in prison if convicted.

Col. Steven Folsom, a military judge, also imposed a temporary gag order on attorneys involved in both Marines' cases, citing concerns that pretrial publicity could taint potential members of the court-martial panel, comparable to a civilian jury.

Magincalda's trial date was set for Feb. 13 and Jodka's for March 5. Folsom said the trial schedule was adjusted to accommodate a possible fact-finding trip to Iraq.




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Posted 10/5/2006 3:48 AM


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Navy Corpsman to Testify Against Marines Accused of Kidnapping, Killing Iraqi Civilian in Hamdania

Thursday , October 05, 2006

CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. — When allegations of a wartime murder surface, an eye witness can be a prosecutor's most effective weapon in securing a conviction.

Getting such testimony can be difficult because those in the armed services are often unwilling to testify against their comrades. But defense attorneys say that on Friday, one will.

Lawyers for Navy Petty Officer 3rd Class Melson J. Bacos, a 21-year-old from Franklin, Wis., said he will testify at a general court martial at Camp Pendleton about seven Marines' roles in the kidnapping and murder of an Iraqi man in return for having charges against him dropped.

Under the deal, the corpsman will also plead guilty to two additional charges, his lawyer said, declining to elaborate.

"We have reached an agreement with the government which will take Bacos out of harm's way," attorney Jeremiah Sullivan III told The Associated Press Wednesday. "He is innocent of these murder charges and they are being dismissed and rightfully so."

Bacos was a medic who patrolled with the Marine squad that allegedly kidnapped and murdered 52-year-old Hashim Ibrahim Awad last April in the town of Hamdania All eight were charged with crimes including premeditated murder and kidnapping.

Marine Lt. Col. Scott Jack, Bacos's military attorney, also declined to elaborate on the deal, but said: "It is a very beneficial agreement for Bacos, and gives him an extremely bright future."

Marine spokesman Lt. Col. Sean Gibson said it would be inappropriate to comment on any potential negotiations between the accused and the prosecution.

The deal gives prosecutors an opportunity to present evidence from a soldier himself, rather than just relying on the word of the soldiers' Iraqi accusers, who defense lawyers have suggested may have been motivated by money or sympathy for insurgents.

The plea deal came as two of the Marines charged in the case, Pfc. John J. Jodka III and Cpl. Marshall L. Magincalda, pleaded not guilty at their arraignment Wednesday.

The arraignment for a third Marine is expected next week and preliminary hearings for the others are expected in coming weeks.

Besides murder and kidnapping, Jodka and Magincalda also are charged with conspiracy and housebreaking. Jodka also faces an assault charge and Magincalda is additionally charged with larceny and making a false official statement. All eight troops have been in the brig since May.

Jodka, 20, and Magincalda, 23, face up to life in prison if convicted. The commanding general in the case last week ruled that the two and a third Marine, Lance Cpl. Jerry E. Shumate, should not face the death penalty.

Jodka is accused of firing an automatic weapon at Awad, along with four other troops alleged to have opened fire.

Some of the troops, including Magincalda, are accused of stealing an AK-47 assault rifle and a shovel and placing them in the hole with Awad's body, apparently to make it look like he was an insurgent planting a bomb.

Bacos, the Navy corpsman, was accused of firing the AK-47 in the air, and Magincalda of placing the expended shell casings by Awad's body.

Since the start of the Iraq war in 2003, at least 14 members of the U.S. military have been convicted in connection with the deaths of Iraqis. Two received sentences of up to life in prison, while most others were given little or no jail time.

Jodka's trial date was set for March 5 and Magincalda's for Feb. 1.

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Posted 10/6/2006 11:12 AM


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Sailor Testifies in Court-Martial Against 7 Marines Accused of Iraqi Murder

Friday , October 06, 2006

CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. — A U.S. Navy corpsman testified at his court-martial that he watched Marines shoot an Iraqi civilian in the head after taking him from his home in the town of Hamdania.

The sailor had plead guilty Fridayto two unspecified charges and agreed to testify.

Seven Marines are accused of murdering the 52-year-old Iraqi man in the town of Hamdania while searching for insurgent.

Petty Officer 3rd Class Melson J. Bacos, 21, entered the plea at his court martial. He agreed to testify about the Marines' role and give his account of the death of 52-year-old Hashim Ibrahim Awad. In return for that testimony, murder, kidnapping, conspiracy and other charges initially filed against Bacos were to be dropped, his civilian lawyer said before Friday's proceedings.

Bacos said "yes sir" when asked by Col. Steven Folsom, who presided over the hearing, if he agreed with the pleas.

According to charging documents, the troops had entered Hamdania searching for an insurgent and, failing to find him, grabbed Awad from his home and shot him. An AK-47 and a shovel were left by Awad's body, apparently to make it look like the man had been digging a hole for a roadside bomb and was killed in an exchange of gunfire.

Bacos was accused of firing the AK-47 into the air as part of the cover-up.

Military prosecutors had charged him under the theory that he did nothing to stop the alleged crime.



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Posted 10/6/2006 11:26 AM


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Question is... and I'm certain the Marine's defense attorney are going to bring this up, what are the chances this corpsman was coerced into spinning a BS story to save his own neck?

 

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Posted 10/26/2006 6:46 AM