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Regular Joe
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| I just completed testing for the EIB and wanted to post my observations. I was a bladerunner with two retests, hand grenades and shift from a known point. Day three of testing is tomorrow, 13APR and we get pinned at 1900. We started with 346 candidates that met the pre-reqs (Weapons, Land Nav, PT Test, Road March). At the close of the second day there were about 90 people that had 3 no-gos or double tapped an event. From what I saw the graders held the standard, but this was the first one that I've been around, and have nothing to compare it to. They did take out a lot of the nonsense, like having a different functions check for two weapons that operate in the same manner (M240B and M249). Both weapons had the charging handle held to the rear while the safety was moved to fire/safe. EIB as a whole I thought was a great individual task training. What do you all think about having an EIB recert training/testing. My point is that as new weapons/procedures/etc come into the army, someone who earned an EIB 10 years prior is no longer current. As a side note, on Monday I go down to A Co to get a platoon after being the 3 shop LNO for almost 5 months.
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Regular Joe
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Another thought (dangerous as an LT, I know) I had was to have additional levels. Keep the basic EIB badge and testing, but maybe add another series of team leader, squad leader, and platoon leader tests. Then as soon as that thought struck, the grenade went off and said thats what you have platoon and squad exevals for.  
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The EIB is not a certification test, but a series of test in basic infantry skills to test how well the individual can perform. I tend to think that those who have the EIB should be concentrating on training soldiers who haven't earned it yet, and serve as graders during the testing rather than having to worrry about going through a retest or updated test. The platoon sergeant or first sergeant who earned his EIB as a private does learn those new skills as they are introduced, just as they learn new weapons systems that are issued that they may not have been tested on.
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Annnnnd, if a Joe goes back into the Army who say earned his EIB back in 1984, he'll be brought up to speed on all the new Techniques, Tactics and Proceedures that are out there....... 
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Don't they have annual SQTs anymore?? For 11Bs that was pretty much the same tasks as EIB (with a written test thrown in) with additional tasks for higher skill-levels. In fact SQT\EIB was done at the same time as I recall
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Stare Master
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if Joe goes back in the Army after an approximately twenty year hiatus(even a ten year break) he is going to have to go through at least an abbreviated version of AIT, if not the full course. The testing would be done as partof his training. How many officers and NCOs who have earned both the EIB and CIB are going to agree to go through an updated test having seen the elephant a couple of times?
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| Nowadays with every infantryman virtually guaranteed to get a CIB within a year of finishing AIT, you have to wonder how many people out there are going to wear the EIB. I remember many years ago there was some discussion of having a way to show that a soldier had earned both the CIB and the EIB, but it never went anywhere. So probably the only people you'll see wearing an EIB are ex-infantrymen who are now in a different MOS and thus not eligible for the CIB.
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