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Malignant Narcissist
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Unfortunately, I have seen a few "Free-I B's" passed around....
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Regular Joe
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I'm watching what seems to be (I've no experience to compare it too, just wisdom of others who do) a Free IB test about to take place. The Bn actually put out guidance to the lane NCOICs that they want a 75% pass rate for the test. HMMM.   
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IMO; In some units that would mean the NCO's would really kick up the skills prep...unfortunately, many units believe that such a phrase means "close enough gets a pass"...
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Bite your tounge....I was one of 30 in a company of 120....all but four of us cherries had their CIBs from Grenada. It just goes to show you......
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Articabn has, probably, the best statement coming from his old PSG. The EIB has been the most difficult badge to obtain, right along with the EMB. As stated within the thread there have been some Cdrs and Staff that have made the process far less exacting or have placed undo command influence on the graders by stating a required result instead of a realistic goal. As a former EM, NCO and officer having served in units preparing to or in the process of EIB testing it is difficult for those being tested, because if the unit has not given the man adequate prep time to practice to standard, the test is a farce. Graders need to be coached and prepped more than the candidates to insure all know the condition and standard. I speak with personal knowledge on this. Qualifying for the EIB shows the recipient as an Expert Infantryman. Those who understand, know it is not a "second place badge" to the CIB.
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| We've had this discussion at length before on here... so I will just simply capsulate my impressions of it with this... EIB training and testing in my experience has always been a combination of CTT and Mickey Mouse. Perhaps in the years before my time (mid 80's) it was conducted differantly and carried more meaning but it certainly degenerated into a dog & pony show by the 90's. I always viewed an EIB badge as a uniform device that stated that the wearer was able to perform his MOS skills to standard at some point of his career... nothing more, nothing less. To my thinking both as lower enlisted and as an NCO however, being able to perform core infantry tasks to standard should be expected of every infantryman at all times... Guess we'll have to agree to disagree concerning our views of EIB.
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I did EIB in 04 if I recall correctly, and was one of four in BN, one of two in the CO, to true blue it. I was kind of pissed at some of the other guys that passed who got second chances on the ruck or nav parts. If you fail those then you should be told better luck next year. If I had failed I would have bowed out until the next chance out of respect for the badge and tradition.
Unfortunately these days it's hard to even test. I did four years and the 04 tested once. I did however get to be an EIB instructor for the 05 about a year or so later on the javelin lane, which was a couple of weeks sham time detached from the 04. Even better since lane clean up at the end of the day was simply stuffing a few javs into cases and then bailing out unlike the suckers at the M4 or 249 lanes hahahahaha. Kicking back with a PC and a dip while everyone from PVTs to SSG's and even a few of the SOCOM guys were all kitted up made me feel that much more relieved to already have mine.
Army awards, badges, and tabs are a weird thing. There are people out there who should never have passed and there are razor sharp soldiers who get screwed under circumstances out of their control. I'm sure we've all seen that dirtbag come back tabbed or badged while better soldiers fall short. But I digress, I'm proud of my EIB, even though I have no idea where the one that was beaten into my chest went, uf.
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