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| OK troopers, NO HATIN' ALLOWED!!! I am currently serving in a reconnaissance squadron, was a senior scout now squadron MG. While taking my section(sorry, former) thru the EIB site and training them up for the last 3 weeks I noticed a few things. First off the prereqs. I did 3 12milers and 2 PT tests so my Troopers could be qualified. Sorry but this is the EIB as in Expert as like EXCELLENCE. If you can't get the PT land nav and roadmarch done in one try as well as the range in one day(thank god my Ol' Bills shot expert in one day or that was more trips out to the range) then you should be done. Actually, I feel that it should be done old school with the range and PT test kickin' EIB off with land nav and roadmarch in the testing phase. Next, I have an awesome CoC even though they are cross rifle guys. The original plan was for the entire squadron, FSC included, to do a Spur ride then the 11series 19D and 13F do EIB. Bde switched up EIB so it got front loaded and the Spur ride nixed but the pot was sweet for joe. If you earn the EIB you get a COA from the SCO, Cert of training for 120hrs and if "true blue" an AAM. Scouts would have made out better than the 11series guys! At every station though I kept getting asked "Are you guys WT?" WT stands for warrior tasks. From what I was told all the tasks are the same except M21 AT mine. So every swinging richard from Bde(cook, clerk and HQ sweeper) is doing EIB. WTF??? Finally, regarding the tasks. If all troops are doing EIB/WT what ever why in the EIB booklet is everything modified? At the end of almost every task there is what I like to call a disclaimer. "This task modified for EIB purpose." What gives!?! Don't modify the task, do it to standard and train it to standard. Alot of the modifications were wrong too. I got questioned every time we trained something "why are we doing it the wrong way?" I understand EIB is attention to detail and I stressed that but however if unlearning something to relearn it wrong to unlearn it and relearn it right is the EIB pattern then that needs to be changed. Sorry, a little back ground, at JRTC we got a big fat "U" on skill level 1 tasks for our joes b/c that basic layer of training was hard to fit in while standing up a new unit from scratch. When I found out we 19D would be doing EIB I wasn't grumbling like alot but I welcomed it. The thing that chaps my saddle point is that these fundamental and critical tasks were/are taught/eval'd wrong. Every Soldier regardless of rank/MOS should come away from EIB with or w/o the badge saying "I learned alot from this." To me the bottom line is that this training and evaluation shall(not should) enable us to go out the gate go kill those who need to be killed and get everybody back to the FOB alive. Just one Scouts take on this years EIB. By the way I had 2 out of eight earn the EIB. No true blue, and I lost 2 to PLDC Warrior Leaders Course and one didn't make the PT test(slow on the run).
"Look around, this is old school, this is Cavalry!" Bruce Willis actor eastern Iraqi FORWARD!!!
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LOL! I am sooo glad I got my EIB first time around as a private...  Far as the tasks go... I hear you buddy. One year in particular we had to learn and teach three fricking standards of CPR... CTT standard, EIB standard, and CLS standard (which was actually Red Cross standard at the time.) Talk about headaches... I'd say a good 25% of the No-Gos during that EIB iteration stemmed from troopies performing CPR improperly... (or properly depending on your point of view.) These days it seems most units are dragging the process out over a couple weeks... certain elements in the 101st for example spent a good chunk of this past Summer dicking around with it... what a waste of precious time. They had a new load of cherry privates and just a couple months to get up to speed for re-deployment to Iraq. Having high percentages of EIB awards amongst their personnel was more important to the higher ups than having higher levels of tactical competance amongst their line squads. Never forget, despite it's dubious value in reinforcing the most basic of soldier skills... EIB came about as a way for folks who had never seen the elephant to stand with some sort of pride next to their peers who had CIB's...
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I actually got my EIB after I got the CIB. What really sucked was that I was a NO GO at the 1st 2 stations and went thru the rest of the testing straight thru. I was the acting squad leader at the time so I would have looked & felt like sh!t if I didn't get it!
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khyros (11/15/2005) Never forget, despite it's dubious value in reinforcing the most basic of soldier skills... EIB came about as a way for folks who had never seen the elephant to stand with some sort of pride next to their peers who had CIB's...Really? I didn't know that... It started in WWII, so I always believed it was a way to show certain Soldiers were expertly prepared for deployment. Actually - I'd like to see the original award criteria, for the historical interest.
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| The CIB was established on 27 Oct. 1943 The EIB was established on 11 Dec. 1943 Link Personally, I never felt lacking in any pride because I didn't have a CIB
1/508th Abn Inf, 82nd Abn Div 81-83 1/4th Inf (Mech), 3rd Inf Div (USAEUR) 83-84 SGT\EIB\Recondo
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Regular Joe
      
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I was a Combat Engineer (Sapper) in the 82nd. We used to have what we called Sapper Stakes which was a combination of Engineer tasks's, Infantry task's and CTT. We also did a 12 miler (which our unit did anyway approx every 3 months), and our rucks ALONE had to weigh 40lbs. I didn't realize it was the combined weight of the equipment that had to weigh 40 lbs. Nevertheless, I think the EIB is HOOAH. These day's, it's harder to earn the EIB than the CIB.
_________________________________________________ "Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ~ Anonymous
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Well let's see if I can remember back that far. I was one of 13 individuals in the entire brigade to earn the EIB and the only private in the group.
My platoon sergeant at the time, who I still admire to this day had a CIB with Star (Korea and VN). He had tested and failed three years in a row. But I still remember his words.
He said "Any swinging d@*K can make it through 30 days of combat and receive a CIB and he still doesn't have to know sh!t about his job. Just keep his head down and not get killed. Now on the other hand Private Dunn, I can tell you how proud I am to stand here and know I've got one of the few EIB holders in my platoon. Nice work, you earned it. Take Friday off as a comp day. Oh and by the way the latrine needs to be done before we leave today. Your job."
He did a tour in Korea and 3 in VN. But his words put it into perspective.
"Si Vis Pacum Para Bellum" If you want peace prepare for war!
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