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Stare Master
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Originally posted by Evil_LightFighter
No it doesn't mean nothing to me,
Right now I'm trying to figure out the triple negative.[bogld]
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American GI. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
"History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over." COLONEL BULL SIMONS
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| that is such a good book especially when he talks about thecivil war non firers having rifles loaded all the way to the end of the barrel. Tons of interesting reading... but you don't have to take my word for it </LeVar Burton>
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Beekeeper
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So you always spout off things you don't believe in just to see the reaction? This is not a topic you "jokingly toss around". Yes, I called you names and I stand by those statements. You have to be sick to actually believe this a valuable tool and you have to be a moron to go throwing this garbage around to a bunch of infantrymen.
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"The young dead soldiers do not speak. Nevertheless, the are heard in the still houses...We were young, they say. We have died. Remember us." Archibald MacLeish
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Seasoned Vet
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The Bee finally weighs in! Listen E.L.F. these are people who actually like you telling you this is F-ed up. Might be time to re-think this concept and try to understand where these feelings are coming from. Once you put another human being in your sights with a round in the chamber you will never ever be the same. I don't like toy guns or "Airsoft" cause they mock the lethality of the "real" thing.
When you get older and maybe have a kid or too you will understand "why" we are soooooooo opposed to this line of reasoning. Hopefully you will never have to drop the hammer on someone or place someone in a body bag. Personnaly I got my fill of death from being at the Murrah Federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995 with my two cousins, one a Police Lt., the other an Asst. Fire Chief.
Believe me talking about being a badass killer and seeing what a stone cold killer like Timothy McVey can do...well my world view changed pretty dramatically. Life can be a cruel bitch as it is, we need to try to make the world a better place not add to the human carnage.
I hope that we can change your view and help you to see that human life, even the bad human life does matter. It does mean something young troop!
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Stand in the door!
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Beekeeper
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I was there JM. The acrid stench alone would change his mind.
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"The young dead soldiers do not speak. Nevertheless, the are heard in the still houses...We were young, they say. We have died. Remember us." Archibald MacLeish
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The bad news is that by conditioning soldiers to overcome their instinctive loathing of killing, we have drastically increased post-combat stress - witness the devastated psychological state of our Vietnam vets as compared with those from earlier wars. And the truly terrible news is that contemporary civilian society, particularly the media, replicates the army's conditioning techniques and - according to Grossman's controversial thesis - is responsible for our rising rates of murder and violence, particularly among the young. In the explosive last section of the book, he argues that high-body-count movies, television violence (both news and entertainment), and interactive point-and-shoot video games are dangerously similar to thetraining programs that dehumanize the enemy, desensitize soldiers to the psychological ramifications of killing, and make pulling the trigger an automatic response."
See ELF, your theory that desensitizing humans will lower PTSD is absolute BullSh1t. The very book you quoted says it's BullSh1t. You totally have it backwards.
Now I will explain why your method would only increase PTSD. It is very easy to isolate and desensitize a person in a strictly controlled environment like BCT or combat. While the soldier is desensitized it is very easy for him to kill, too easy some times. The problem happens when he comes home. He is now no longer in a strictly controlled military environment.
He starts to reconnect with society, his feelings, and humanity. Pretty soon afterwards he realizes that he probably shouldn't have done a lot of the things he did in combat. He begins to feel very guilty and ashamed of some of his actions, and feels not worthy of forgiveness. He starts to hate himself and subconsciously inflict punishment on himself. He probably even starts to drink or abuse drugs in order to numb the memories and the emotional pain that goes with them.
Listen up, I'm only going to say this once. The best way to avoid PTSD in the future is NOT to do something you will regret later on. This means you have to stay connected with your humanity and your conscience. You don't ever want to wake up some morning, look yourself in the mirror, and realize that you did some very "F"ed up things that you now regret. Being desensitized only works while you are in a controlled environment. Once you rejoin society, get married, and have kids your past wrongfull actions will come back to haunt you.
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[14:05] <Evil_LightFighter> I hunt deer because I enjoying killing them
You had my mouth hanging open with this one.I had to sit back and look at the screen again,to make sure I was reading right.Yes,you were serious.NOWHERE in that coversation did you mention you were "Half-joking".That's why I said I would not want you in my unit;and I definately stand by that statement.Do you kick kittens?Puppies?I almost imagine you would enjoy that,too.This is truly warped thinking,to say the least.What's next,a new running cadence:
"JU-52 rolling down the strip,30 SS troopers on a one-way trip..."
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