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Posted 7/13/2004 2:42 PM


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http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/EdmontonSun/News/2004/07/13/pf-537718.html

Tue, July 13, 2004
Military wants more out of their soldiers
By Stephanie Rubec, SUN OTTAWA BUREAU


OTTAWA -- The Canadian Forces wants more bang for their buck from the people they hire and train. Doug Lock, Defence Department spokesman, said the military has concluded it's not getting a full return on its investment when training soldiers and has launched a full-blown review of its enrolment contracts to make up the shortfall.

Lock said the Forces wants longer commitments than three years from many of those without a university degree who sign up with the army, navy or air force. "If we find the right people who have the right attitude and right commitment, then the theory is that they'll stay longer," he said, admitting that the longer contracts could "drive candidates away." The brass heading 100-plus military occupations have been ordered by month's end to hammer out how long each soldier must serve to cover the cost of their training.

Lock said the new, lengthier enrolment contracts to be drawn up by January will see those soldiers enrolling in trades that require extensive training committing to longer terms of service than those in occupations that demand much less schooling. The new, lengthier contracts are also meant to stop soldiers from ditching the military before even completing their training or immediately after. "There is some problem with specific occupations with early attrition," Lock said, pointing to the infantry as a prime example.

The military shells out $80,000 to shape a recruit into a battle-ready infantry soldier over eight months of training - that's at the bottom of the cost scale. It takes about seven years to train someone to fix a fighter jet. As for officers, Lock said their nine-year initial contracts are likely to be reduced in some trades that require little training, and extended for trades like fighter pilot. And to keep soldiers serving longer, the Canadian Forces is implementing a plan next year that requires they work five more years - or 25 years - before they are eligible for their pension.



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Posted 7/13/2004 4:21 PM


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You know more about it than I do PC.  But it sounds like a step backwards to me.



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Posted 7/13/2004 4:31 PM


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Sounds like the paranoid liberal frogs who have run Canada's armed forces into the ground just woke up and realized that 50,000 soldiers cannot do the work of 1 million. Good luck PC I don't know how much more the Government up there can ask of you guys without making the proper committment to support your military.

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Posted 7/13/2004 4:50 PM


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I don't know Sheridan. It sounds crazy to me. The Brass is going to want to keep recruits longer on active duty and they want to increase the amount of time a soldier has to stay in before he qualifys for a pension to 25 years. That's going to be a real kick in the nuts to recruiting. I stayed for 30 years myself in Uncle Sam's Boy Scout Troop because I liked it, but there aren't many guys like me down here or North of the Border. What's that do to your Ready Reserve? After the troops get through one engagement they're probably not keen on joining the Reserve. Hello? Anybody in charge at the Department of National Defence?



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Posted 7/13/2004 5:28 PM


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 What's that do to your Ready Reserve?

We don't have one. Our system works very differently from yours. We have a standing Regular military force and a Reserve force. You can join either.

The Reserves is the civilian soldier aspect. 1 day a week, 1 weekend a month, sort of deal. After completing whatever Engagement you're on in the Reg force, you don't have to sign on with the Reserves. Or, conversely, you can sign on with the Reserves, and never go Regular force. Our Reserves are not made up of former Regular Force members. In our system, you can sign on for your 3 year hitch, get out, and that's that. Or, you can stay in for your 20.

And yeah, the government has finally realized that they have no military, but are so out of touch with us, they have no idea how to keep us in. Here's a hint: Give us our Honour back. But, since they have none, they can't understand the concept. Numbers are going to drop. Which, in my more paranoid moments, I believe to be their plan.



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Posted 7/14/2004 8:46 PM


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Sounds to me like the Canadia Soldiers should be asking for more out of their Military




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Posted 7/15/2004 11:34 AM


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not completely related to the topic, but it helps point out the brutal irony:

http://highspeed.rogers.com/news/national/story.jsp?cid=n071375A

Report suggests widespread contracting problems at National Defence Dept.
at 20:05 on July 13, 2004, EST

OTTAWA (CP) - A new review of multimillion-dollar contracts at the National Defence Department is raising red flags about out-of-control spending for more than two dozen projects. The report was triggered in part by a $146-million fraud uncovered last year in which the department paid phoney invoices during a 10-year period. The RCMP is investigating the scandal involving Compaq Computer Corp., later bought by Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co., which is reimbursing the money. Two large maintenance deals for weapons systems also showed problems - National Defence will not provide details - prompting the broad review of 258 service contracts each worth more than $1 million.

The review, begun last August, has uncovered widespread contract irregularities worth tens of millions of dollars. For example, auditors identified 15 major service contracts where the suppliers billed the department by at least 10 per cent above the appropriate amount - or about $35 million in total. "Numerous reports of profit excesses, unauthorized additional work," "unsupported contractors cost," and "no proper accounting records for recording costs," were typical findings. The audits either rejected the inflated invoices or required the contractors to reimburse the money.

The review authors also flagged four other contracts - worth between $10 million and $48 million - where costs spiralled by up to double the agreed amount. "Poorly defined job descriptions that appear inflated," said one analysis. "Insufficient evidence to support payment for software upgrade deliverables," said another. The January 2004 report is highly critical of the department's ability to adequately police its own contracts, citing shoddy information systems and a lack of high-level monitoring of potential problems.

"We've had a downsizing (of National Defence personnel) over a number of years in the department so there are fewer people available to manage the contracts," Chris Currie, one of the officials involved in the review, said in an interview. "So that's been one of the problem areas."

Alan Williams, the department's assistant deputy minister for materiel, said the exercise has identified potential problems but did not establish that rules had actually been broken. That will be determined only through further auditing and review. "The Hewlett-Packard file . . . shook us all up here," he said. "We need to be more vigilant."

In the end, the review - intended only as a preliminary survey - identified 25 high-risk contracts that will receive detailed audits during the next months. The review has also spawned at least two other broad examinations of potential contract irregularities, one focused on goods procurement and another on medical contracts. Both reports are in draft form, and Currie would neither release them nor discuss their contents.

One issue to be examined in subsequent audit work will be sole-sourcing, in which contracts are signed with a single supplier without a competitive process that can keep costs low. The review found that 44 per cent of the 258 high-value contracts were sole-sourced, and that about 20 per cent of all 12,000 Defence Department contracts currently active were let without inviting competing bids. Currie said some weapons systems are proprietary so that their purchase and servicing can be carried out only through a single supplier. But auditors will examine whether sole-sourcing levels are still too high, he said.

A former National Defence employee who now works for the Canadian Defence Industry Association says the department is more prone than others to contract fraud. "It's a large organization with a lot of procurement," said Norbert Cyr, vice-president of media relations for the industry group. "There are very few departments in government that have that size of discretionary spending."

Cyr added that downsizing over the years has made the department more vulnerable to fraud. "There were more people available in the past, in project offices, to do oversight type duties," he said. Trusted individuals within the department are most often responsible for fraud, he added.

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