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| The whole idea seems based on the fact that people want to justify behavior that is not tolerated by society in general. It has to be based on current society to an extent, other wise some things would never change. I think that is where laws come in. Just because I do not feel that stealing is wrong, the law has already stated it is, and it goes the other way as well, the decriminalization of marijuana. As time moves forward, accepted standards change, this doesn't mean that the morality of an act has changed. Slavery was never right or moral, we know that now, but yet it was legal and considered moral at times in history. The people changed, and their ideas, the morality of slavery never changed, perhaps we are more enlightened. There are many good examples, sodomy laws, gay marriage, and many others. Abortion laws maybe considered immoral by many and a right by others, the law has stepped in and put the morality of it on the individual, if you morally oppose it, don't do it, but if you think it is morally acceptable, feel free. Now in 200 years, people may look at abortion the same way we look at slvery today. I see it as morality is relative to alot things, but moral relativism is not an excuse for criminal behavior.
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hooah
morality doesn't change, but mores do. Homo, pedo, necro... are, have and will be wrong. This is morality.
Society might change and see these as OK at some time. This is a more. (pronounced moray)
Right is right and wrong is wrong no matter what anybody says.
Go with God, but make Him walk the point.
If you load a mudfoot down with a lot of gadgets he has to watch somebody a lot more simply equipped - say with a stone axe - will sneak up and bash his head in while he is trying to read a Vernier. - Robert Heinlein
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Am I glad that I am a Christian and have the Ten Commandments to guide me! I do not have to worry about figuring out what ir right and what is wrong FOR ME.
No wonder the liberal society is so afraid of anything related to Religion, any Religion, because it points out their decadence and strips away from them any vail of decency.
GR John 3:16
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Amen, Brother, Amen!
    
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Rakkasan
I do not have to worry about figuring out what ir right and what is wrong FOR ME.
Then you've got it licked, Bro. I'm far right on this one, personally, meaning I judge my own actions harshly and by a high standard.
The issue only bothers me in that society and circumstance DO set the parameters of morality whether we like it or not. Lies are immoral, but POWs must sometimes lie for the good of their nation, parents often feel the need to shield their children from the truth, etc. Those types of lies don't faze me a bit.
Murder is immoral, but the death penalty is a necessity, IMO, and the only difference between murder and execution is that the state says it's not murder. War is organized murder usually for political or financial gain, and I'm not bothered by that at all. Genocide DOES bother me, so I guess it's down to who decided to murder and the scope they chose for implementation.
So not all lies are immoral, not all murder is immoral. I guess moral relativism only bothers me when people use it to justify their own desires or failures rather than to figure out what's truly right or wrong in situations they hadn't anticipated.
"You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred." --Superchicken
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quote:
Originally posted by SgtV
It is imoral to kill. To me its not imoral to protect my family. I have a moral obligation the protector, provbider and spirtural leader of my family to do so.
You use your rights to come on my property to try an take what think you need more then me I will protect it all costs,.
Now is that left or right?
V- that's a little broad, isn't it? Based on what you write afterwards, don't you mean that it is immoral to murder? May sound like a technicality, but to kill in self-defense should not be considered immoral.
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So it looks like moral relativism is pretty much thought to be bunk.
So that leads us to truth and absolute truth.
Is there such a thing or again is it relative to each individual?
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For individuals, truth (defined as conformity to fact) is relative to what each individual observed and understood in a particular situation. A good indication of this would be that every member of a patrol would need to be debriefed upon completion of the patrol.
For groups, truth (defined as conformity to fact) is usually second-hand info agreed upon by the majority and | | | |