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Been reading a very good book on this topic. It's written by Ryan Dobson. I believe this is one of the son's of James Dobson. The book
is entitled, "Be intolerant - because some things are just stupid."
Although this book is geared towards younger Christians, it's still a
good way to prepare for discussions on this topic. He is upfront and makes some great points.
For discussion sake, what's ya'lls take on moral relativism?
    
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I would have to say that I ride to the right on this one. Morality should be hard and NOT "fair" or "neutral". There should be a difference between right and wrong when it comes to morals. I will not force my morals upon someone but I will let someone know whenthey have offended me. I am an open minded individual and teach tolerance in my home, but feel that morals are being removed from our culture atan ever increasing pace. Allowing the individual (especially young children as they grow through adulthood) decide what they think is morally correct,leads us to the problems that we are experiencing today. We have all experienced the effects of this "loose" moral obligation. Look at the crimes committed, just the way young people look and interact with other people. You can see the kids that have some sense of moral obligation.
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Ialso lean to the right on this issue;One only has to look at everyday happenings on the news to see that the liberal establishment of just do it has people committing more hineous crimes everyday as to were people aren't even offended anymore!I beleive that there is a difference between right and wrong and kids nowadays need to be taught that there are consequences for their actions
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moral and cultural relativism are shite.
Go with God, but make Him walk the point.
If you load a mudfoot down with a lot of gadgets he has to watch somebody a lot more simply equipped - say with a stone axe - will sneak up and bash his head in while he is trying to read a Vernier. - Robert Heinlein
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I agree 100%
In the book, and it makes so much sense, Dobson makes the point that
moral relativism is bogus. You can't be neutral and not believe in right or wrong.
Those that follow this line of thought say, what's right or wrong for you isn't right or wrong for me. It's all in your beliefs and your view point.
The point was brought out that if someone is stealing from you, then it's stealing, no matter how you look at it, it's stealing and it's wrong. You can't be indifferant to it the fact, it's the fact.
Also, they espouse tolerance but infact demonstrate complete and utter intolerance to someone who believes and follows Christ.
"It's cool to be gay, it's cool to transexual, it's cool if you want to get an abortion, it's cool if you want to do a blunt that's dusted"
But
"Oh your a Christian, then you are out of whack with mains stream society, I don't want to hear all the blah blah, I don't have to listen to your stupid ideas." [OO]
Moral relativism, is a bunch of crap. It's a house with no foundation and when put under pressue will fail - every time.
I have to agree.
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OTOH you have to judge people and events by the time frame.
Slavery is wrong.
That was debatable 200 years ago and there was no debate about it 2000 years ago.
Does George Washington's owning of slaves make him evil? If so, we must also throw out all Greek and Roman thought that forms the basis of our science and culture.
To carry this further, what if we discover that slavery crosses species and 200 years from now, noone owns animals (cows, horses, cats, dogs)? Would that make us retroactively evil? It doesn't make us evil, it just makes us unenlightened.
In the meantime, I'll have a steak.
Go with God, but make Him walk the point.
If you load a mudfoot down with a lot of gadgets he has to watch somebody a lot more simply equipped - say with a stone axe - will sneak up and bash his head in while he is trying to read a Vernier. - Robert Heinlein
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my beliefs... moral relativism is crap, because its center theory is, morality is only defined by the society in which you live, and its collective moral code, thus, there are no such things as absolute morals. IE, in a society like sodom and gamorrah, child molesting isnt immoral... but as we all know, it IS immoral, its a horrible thing that no one should have to be subjected to. Which is why we have laws agains such things. There ARE absolutes within morality, therefore, you cant have moral relativism. if we did abide by such a system the system would only decay and become much more corrupt untill there was nothing but anarchy
Psalm 144:1Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight
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