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>>11c1pDad, if your son is surrounded by scouts it seems he will have the easiest job in the world!Hell look at all that free time he'll have to bone up for his EIB!!! Nothing like 120mm fire missions to show Ali Iraqi who he's screwing with!!!!! I watch all the ones I can!!! I hope your son gets his spurs and talks smack! May St. Micheal and St. George get eyes on him when he gets boots on ground here.<<
Thanks for the kind words CavScout2, I appreciate it. As for the EIB, it has been cancelled twice already due to training exercises. Probably a good thing. My son does well in his training and tests so I feel confident in his abilities. He hasn't said anything about the spurs so I am not sure if infantry guys can participate in that. No spur rides for the cav unit in a long time, at least that is what their website shows. With all that is going on, website updates seem to be a low priority. Again, thanks for the kind words. May God bless them all and bring them home safe. As for the 120's, they blow up a lot of stuff real fast my son tells me. ;-0 I hope they don't have to use them but if they do, I know his platoon can put more steel on steel faster than most.
Respectfully yours,
Mike
Proud Parent of a Paratrooper.(Stuck in legland surrounded by Cav Scouts)Suivez Moi
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I would really like to see the IDF with all the urban combat experience they have declare LAVs to be more effective than tracked APCs during UOs.
Even if they did they would probably only use them in packed earth or roads and they would have plenty of armor and Bushmasters to go with them. The IDF does not have to worry about deploying all over the world or fighting in any kind of terrain, we do!
If we add the armor that 'our' Stryker currently needs it would be grossly overweight.
If the IDF Stryker comments are true they probably came from yahoo REMF leg who won't have to test that theory during urban combat with tangos who don't play by any rules.[thdown]
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CavScout2, if they use them just as battle taxis to replace trucks and HMMWVs during some missions that might be a good role for them. However, that is one expensive battle taxi.
The minute our Army thinks it is a high-speed IFV that is when our C-17s will start getting filled with body bags. We need to learn from the former Soviets, the LAV concept was a total failure for them. Motorized infantry has been a failure for OUR ARMY in the past as well.
Scouting/recon, peacekeeping/MP or even transport for tango interdiction missions away from urban areas [SOF and infantry] might also be a good role for them. As long as their weight does not exceed 21 tons fully mission loaded, and even at 21 they are pretty heavy for soft ground (including lose sand, marshes/swamps/muddy terrain cross-country mobility).
Many have known for some time that the Stryker will never be able to do for the Army what Shinseki claimed it would back in 2000 and 2001 [his high-speed leg Objective Force in stolen black berets]. But just like his black beret directive many also just went along with his lack of judgement and quest to have a healthy ($$$) retirement.[thdown]
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quote:
Originally posted by khyros
Well... Bradleys now weigh a bit more than that since the M2A2 was fielded with it's applique steel armor... but... they can also take hits from the BMP-2's 30mm cannon with negligable effect... and the new DU ammunition for the 25mm Bushmater can carve up T-72s.
One CFV in A-3-7 destroyed 5 T-72's, and another 3, with the DU 25mm.
Unfortunately, 3-7 also damaged two M1's with the same stuff, although no one got badly hurt. One of them was cooking off 120mm rounds with the driver trapped under his hatch, when the C troop 1st SGT pulled up and got the hatch open.
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CavScout2, you are right, their performance in Iraq will be their demise or their procurement will be accelerated. However, I don't think we should be comparing the LAV-III to the M2 BFV, that is like comparing apples and oranges. The Stryker is only faster than the BFV on packed earth or roads and "speed" is not always tactically sound. Speed in some tactical instances might simply send troopers to their deaths faster.
In their current configuration the BFV is better armed and has much better armor than the Stryker. Plus the Stryker due to its weight and dimensions is not much more deployable than the BFV.
As for Strykers in Iraq, lets remember that they will be operating in a low-intensity guerilla urban environment. For the sake of our hooahs I TRULY do hope they do well. My anger is with the losers who picked the expensive whale in the first place. I hope I'm proven wrong.
In a high-intensity conventional combat environment I don't think they would do well at all. The facts on the vehicle simply don't lie. For "peacekeeping"? Maybe.
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CavScout2, if what you are saying is that the LAV-III is a scout/recon/MP/peacekeeping vehicle then we whole heartedly agree.
If you still think it is an IFV we whole heartedly disagree. I have also been in a Stryker this past summer and I don't know how you are going to get a fully equipped/combat loaded 9 man infantry squad in one of them. You would think that being the whale that it is that would not be a problem.
If you even attempt to put 25mm Bushmasters on them you can even forget about putting a fire team in there. In its current configuration a fire team should fit ok.
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CavScout
You have to post the pic to another website and then link it to here. You can set up a website at www.angelfire.com
Go with God, but make Him walk the point.
If you load a mudfoot down with a lot of gadgets he has to watch somebody a lot more simply equipped - say with a stone axe - will sneak up and bash his head in while he is trying to read a Vernier. - Robert Heinlein
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