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I'm going to be speaking to a family friend tomorrow who has signed up as a 54B - Chemical Operations Specialist - with guaranteed options for Airborne training and an assignment in a Ranger Battalion (based on speaking to his father).
Is this a good choice? From what I understand, he wanted to sign up as an 11B but could not get the guaranteed option for the Ranger Battalion, which is what he really wants.
He's got the attitude (his father was in the 101st in Vietnam), and the physical tools to get there, but what about this MOS choice?
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Garandman, understand that he is guaranteed a slot in the Ranger Indoctrination Program and not a Ranger Battalion. He must successfully pass RIP to serve, and the attrition rate for RIP, I believe, typically runs around 40%. I know from the father of one RIP graduate that about a year and a half ago only around 20% of those who started graduated from RIP. I can't speak to the MOS but remind him that he has to be extremely focused and squared away to complete the process.
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I wonder if that is at Regimental HQ? I never knew that they had one at each Batt but things may have changed or I never knew about it.
It probably would be a good MOS to have there. HQ at BATT or at the 75th HQ gets school slots just like any other company. But they have fewer men, so they get to go quicker. Seems like a good job to me.
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Sounds like its a good deal to me:
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Ranger Regiment Seeking Soldiers
The 75th Ranger Regiment is seeking qualified, highly motivated officers and enlisted soldiers for service in the regiment. Openings are available at regimental headquarters at Fort Benning, Ga., and at battalions located at Hunter Army Airfield, Ga.; Fort Lewis, Wash.; and Fort Benning.
The unit has openings for warrant, company- and field-grade officers in infantry, military intelligence, field artillery, chemical corps, signal corps, medical corps, chaplain corps and judge advocate general corps branches.
The regiment is also looking for enlisted soldiers holding the following MOSs: 11B, 11C, 31C, 31U, 31Z, 35E, 54B, 63B, 71D, 71L, 71M, 73D, 75B, 75H, 88M, 91B, 92A, 92G, 92Y, 96B, 96D and 97B. Some positions also require a "V" skill qualification identifier.
Volunteers must be airborne-qualified or willing to complete training and pass an indoctrination and orientation program prior to assignment.
For more information contact the regimental PSNCO, at DSN xxx-xxxx. Officers should contact the assistant adjutant at DSN xxx-xxxx. -- HQ, 75th Ranger Regt.
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The bottom line is that if he makes it through RIP he will eventually get a shot at Ranger school just like anyone else serving with the 75th. He would then be a Ranger first and 54B second.
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quote:
Originally posted by 509Trooper
Garandman, understand that he is guaranteed a slot in the Ranger Indoctrination Program and not a Ranger Battalion. He must successfully pass RIP to serve, and the attrition rate for RIP, I believe, typically runs around 40%. I know from the father of one RIP graduate that about a year and a half ago only around 20% of those who started graduated from RIP. I can't speak to the MOS but remind him that he has to be extremely focused and squared away to complete the process.
I'm telling him that something like 1 out of 10 guys who pass Airborne and show up for RIP will be in a Ranger battalion a year later, based on attrition through RIP, injury, needs of the service, bad luck, etc. And that he could be unlucky, get hurt, and wind up as a HMMVW driver for a company commander in a leg infantry unit at Fort Lewis (happened to a friend of mine who broke a leg). He understands the odds. One of the local recruiter NCO's is Ranger qualified and/or from a Battalion and seems to have been very square with him about how things will go.
54B is shown as one of the MOS's that are "eligible for service" in a Ranger Battalion. One concern for him is that the 54B OSUT may be a lot more "slack" than going through 11B OSUT. Anyone know how rigorous the PT and discipline is at OSUT training at Fort Leonard Wood? He leaves Sept. 11.
Ranger Rios, might he be reclassified to 11B or another MOS assuming he made it through RIP and into a Battalion? Or is his initial MOS not relevant once he made it through RIP?
He's read every book he could find and talked to everyone he can to learn everything he can. And quit his job last week to work out 2-3 hours a day, runs 6-10 miles, does 100 pushups and lifts weights. I think this kid may get out of shape in Basic, not the other way around....
I went through the Ranger course 20 years ago and was never in a Battalion, so I'm the bottom of the barrel in terms of current info. He stil wants to talk to me, though, so I'm trying to learn anything else that could help him.
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Garandman, sometimes your screen name messes me up and I think you are a brown booter. Ah, those senior moments seem to come more often these days.[ ]
I doubt he would be reclassed 11B since the 75th has more people wanting to get in as 11B than they can handle and apparently are short 54B qualified soldiers.
If he wants 11B in the 75th his best chance may be to go 11B to the 82nd, 173rd or other airborne unit and then put in his 4187 for the 75th after six months to a year in the unit. The question he needs to answer is simple, is being in the 75th his primary concern or is it what job he has. Remember if he has any thoughts of making it a career he needs to look at what he's going to be doing and where he goes when he leaves the Rangers.
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Garandman, back in 1985 when I was serving in Korea as a leg infantryman I was in the same position as your friend. I wanted to put in a 4187 for the 75th and everyonte kept telling me the odds. My commander got his mustard stain in Grenada as a young PL with the 1/75 and I said f**k it I'm going to knock on his door. Guess what? Ninety days before I left Kimchi land I had orders for BAC, RIP and I was assigned to the 2/75 pending that I make it through BAC/RIP. Like Han Solo said on in the Empire Strikes Back "never tell me the odds."
If your friend has a 54B contract with BAC/RIP to go with it, tell him to grab it and GO. If you think that by being a 54B he won't get to do any hooah spec ops stuff, wrong. Once he has his black and gold over his scroll he will be highly respected by the 11B2Vs. Even before he has his black and gold he'll get to do some hooah stuff in his assigned Ranger Batt. Once he makes it through RIP it will be up to him as to how far he goes in the Regiment.
As a highly needed minority MOS he will also get to tag along many if not all missions. Once his first enlistment is over if he wants to change his MOS to 11B, being Ranger qualed he would have no problem but he will get highly bored at the infantry AIT if he decides to do that.[ ]
Tell him that he is lucky to have BAC/RIP in his contract regardless of his MOS. However, if he fails BAC or RIP his life as a leg 54B could be a boring one.
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