We get a lot of wannabe's in here talking all kinds of sh _t so we here in the P-Net try to weed them out.  I was just checking!

Muddy!!!

I don't mind you asking........thats why I first came here......I love to talk "green"........we use to get crap all the time from guys that "tried to keep things real"..........we use to goto the little PX near 504th area on Ardenz......and we had been doing water training or something / whatever......and we would be wearing sterels.....(or how ever you spell that).......some Div guy (E5 - E7 type) would look you up and down....."Hey, you got a unit soldier?"....."Roger Sarrr-gent"......"Where the hell is your unit patch.......who the hell is in your chain of command to let you walk around like a rag-tag?!"........."Well Sargent........my unit patch is on my other uniforms.......my Company Commander.....Capt. Meadows does not want us to wear anything but rank on our uniforms."........"Who the hell is that.....and what TM does that Officer get his information out of!"........ROFL.......man-O-man....it got bad enuff that we were told to "STAY OUT OF DIVISION A.O. IF YOU ARE NOT IN PROPER GARRISON UNIFORM!"

"The ones that run are VC......the ones that just stand there are well disciplined VC." 

- Door Gunner / Full Metal Jacket       Familyman411@yahoo.com

Just reflecting.............Its better to answer your question with a question......(even though I hate to do that...sorry)....what school should I mention....the NBC course that is accedited and adds promotion points but I never got anything out of (to speak of...some was cool) or my pre-ranger course, RIP, SOCOM Sniper, or Repel / Load Master which are not accedited as an OFFICAL DOD school, adds no promotion points, nor a signifier to the back of my MOS.........I didn't know there was some you wanted me to mention and those you wanted me to leave off.......ie ....."Here for your amusement!"........as far as Combat Lifesaver being goofy.....hhhmmmm.......I disagree....some of the same tasks that are in the COmbat Lifesaver COurse are the same tasks to earn an EIB and there is AT LEAST one function I learned in CLS that we were not allowed to do in EMT.....I think Combat Lifesaver should be manditory.....and yet you call it goofy...........

I have no idea why this thread has become about me.......I suppose I could fax a copy of my DD214, copy of awards, and training certificates as if I was at a board......I was TRYING to find people to attend a function.....ROFL.........com'on guys foooocus.......fooooocus.....

"The ones that run are VC......the ones that just stand there are well disciplined VC." 

- Door Gunner / Full Metal Jacket       Familyman411@yahoo.com

"The ones that run are VC......the ones that just stand there are well disciplined VC." 

- Door Gunner / Full Metal Jacket       Familyman411@yahoo.com

Dude,CLS is a class read outta a ACCP book,usually taught by a E-4/E-5 medic...I went through it,it's a "class" all Pvt's should go through.I've never been through EIB,so I can't comment on the comparison,but I'm pretty sure theres no comparison.I've also been to NBC school on Bragg,and it was yet another,goofy school IMO,full of overweight pogues who look forward to sitting in a NBC room counting pro-masks.

In my vast exp,hard chargers just don't usually mention these schools,because they are silly.If your wondering why we are questioning you,it's simple,your profile is stacked with high speed schools,with very little yrs in service,,,and then you come to explain yourself,saying that they are "non-accredited"...which makes me even more suspect.

Once again.........thats not what the subect is or was......but since we have digressed and you have no problem "stomping" on my thread to help out a good org. maybe I can end this.......

In your extreme wisdom.....you have stated alot of un-truths......like, "Combat Life Saver" is a class.........while they are ALL classes......this course is a week long (maybe condensed into 4 days).....should be taught by someone that can elaberate and answer questions that can arise....I am sure all classes can be "taught from a book"......what we are discussing now is how bad the units you have been affiliated with are when it comes to proper training and combat readiness (in my oppinion). If I remember correctly some units (Inf) require a certain amount (%) of thier soldiers to be current in CLS.........and I think (can't remember) that you need to requal. every 2 years.......my LAST CLS we qual. for CPR and the 1 week class was given by the Medical Plt Ldr......who, by the way was a prior service medic........(good doc and great plt of medics......tried real hard to save the life of JSA's SGM who died while out on the range of a heart attack.)

I did not goto NBC school at Bragg......I went in Korea......it was a school....I mentioned it........I did get promotion points for it....and it can be claimed on a DD214 and no one there was fat nor did they want to become NBC people.....it was taken to better understand the types of NBC threats are out there, how we counter these attacks and the current tools we have for early warning / detection, testing, and decontamination.....skills that are often over looked due to the long history since we have last encountered these types of attacks (thank God)........when I mentioned "accredited schools"......I am/was refering to schools that can accumulate promotion points and or be additions to your DD214.......if a "school" does not meet those qualifications then it is no more than a block of instruction given by a higher source that is more capable than you. If you are unfamiliar with these types of "schools" then your "vast exp" is not "all that"..........Lets take the 82nd ABN Pre-Ranger Course........is this accredited? No...... but it is manditory for ALL canidates for Ranger School coming from the 82nd (and LRRS at the time) to pass the prerequisite PT test on Pikes Field...to include the swim test there in the pool. You then get a class date, time, and place to report for the school......it takes 2 weeks to complete and is taught by Ranger Tabbed, NCO instructors..........you then GET TO apply for the  real school if they complete the course. We had a high "FAIL" rate.....don't remeber what it was.....but we lost more than a handful.....and if you consider those that failed the PT and swim....we lost ALOT. Did I recieve promotion points for it? No..........how bout mention on my DD214......nope.....I was told it was non-accredited.Hmmmm..........so....which school was silly between the 2 schools? Well that depends.........you see......I feel now that I am taking a test on "What do YOU want to hear?"........In my mind.....if you recieve points and mention on your DD214......its a REAL school........weather it was taught right is questionable based on who was incharge.......some might say that Ranger school has become silly with the removal of 1 full phase and the introduction of "extra food and sleep" but either way it IS accredited. So is it the 1) Difficulty (based on fail rate) that makes a class / school / or block of instruction "silly" 2) Accredidation  or lack thereof that make a class / school / or block of instruction "silly" 3) or your lack of understanding or difficulty to obtain a class / school / or block of instruction make  it "silly". Your ability (and your peers) to obtain most of these schools in an Air Defence unit is "unimaginable". Your units money is spent on "other" things while an Inf unit, esp. scout types spend unit allotments on the soldiers "learning" and bullets. There were little to NO other MOS's in my Ranger School class other than 11B for enlisted soldiers. The cut backs made sure of THAT....and it was strictly prohibited at the time for non-combat MOS's attend AT ALL!

Not sure what you want from me......I mentioned what I did and when I did it.......the RIP, Pre-Ranger, Sniper, and Load / Repel Master don't mean anything other than Hoooaahhh points......but nothing toward promotion nor DD214..........you consider these "high speed" but maybe because you have no idea what happened in these schools / block of instruction and quite frankly.........more people failed out of my RIP and Pre-Ranger than failed from Halo school....ROFL......the only "high speed" courses / schools I have been to that was hard was Ranger School and EMT (of which I took ON MY OWN at nite through Fayetteville Tech on post for soldiers)..........the rest....and I mean ALL the rest were not hard....well......maybe RIP......that sucked......but everything else was not "highspeed"........maybe "high speed" is in the eye of the beholder.......Which of these schools DO YOU THINK is soooooo hard.......that is soooooo "way out there" that you have problems with me?

Before you do......let me name you some harder schools that I do not have that you would NOT question me on yet have a MUCH higher fail rate......Drill Sargent School, Jump Master School, and ANCOA.

So......cuz I am "just wondering"....would you question / hassel me if I said I was a Jump Master (like you) versus a 1 week SOCOM Sniper Course?

How ' bout if I was to say I had been a Drill Sgt versus a short COurse in Load / Repel Master?

Would it suprise you to know that these two courses had NO failures that I remeber and had LESS people pass out than the "silly" little Combat Lifesaver Course that you think is a waist of time?

Now that I think about it.........I don't think anyone failed either CLS COurses I took, none failed Load / repel Master, no one failed Halo, and no one failed the Sniper COurse I took......but guess what......I remeber a few that failed PLDC..........does this make PLDC "high speed".

What makes you either dis-like me or even question my intergrity? Have we mixed words before and this is spilling over?

Do you have other motivations or do you just speak of things that you REALLY do not understand?

Would really like us to speak on the topic and would really like you TO HELP and not hinder the mission here........to get guys that may have served in the "posted" jobs as discribed that may live in or near Texas to join in on our group and enjoy each others company and support WAR....(World Association of Rangers) of which we are affiliated with. We also extend our affiliation with any and all special ops in any branch as well to include Marines, Air Force, and Navy. The President of this Texas based org. (Rick) was at 3rd Batt. with me and others here in Texas.......it is a great opp. for those of us with families that have roots in these types of units to get together and "chew the cud" while supporting the other functions that WAR supports...ie....The Best Ranger Competition.

Can we please hold hands now and be friends?

I'll even let you "bum" a dip........but only if you help me identify P.net members so that they know that this org. exists for them and we would like them to know that we are here.

"The ones that run are VC......the ones that just stand there are well disciplined VC." 

- Door Gunner / Full Metal Jacket       Familyman411@yahoo.com