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I got asked a question the other and wasnt sure of the answer. Ive been talking to a kid that wants to go SF. He asked me what if he goes SF as enlisted and then puts in a Officer packet? Now correct if Im wrong but as an Officer in SF dont you have to be a Captain? He would want to stay in SF. Would he have to put in a WO packet? Can you be a Lt in a SF unit if youve already been through the Q course and served in the unit? Thanks for the help.
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If he took a commission, he couldn't go back to SF until he was a 1LT (P), and then he'd still have to go through the "Q" Course for 18A. He would not have to repeat SFAS. When I was in 4-325 (94-96), one of the PLs was a former SF NCO who was waiting for selection to captain so he could return to SF. I do not know if this has changed in the last 7 years.
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Pup, I am not sure about the primary question, but in regards to WO in SF, if I am not mistaken they only accept senior NCOs for the WO SF track.
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Minimum pre-reqs for SF Warrant:
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180A. Special Forces Warrant Officer
Duties: Manages all aspects of Special Forces Operations in all operational environments. Supports Joint and Army strategic, operational, and tactical requirements at all levels of execution as concerns mission planning, development, and execution of special operations worldwide. Is responsible for the conduct of unconventional warfare, intelligence collection and strategic reconnaissance, collective security, strike operations, and counter terrorism operations; supports psychological, civil affairs, and deception requirements; and the conduct of other missions, relative to special forces capabilities, as directed.
Minimum prerequisites:
Be serving as a male SSG (E6) or above in CMF 18 MOS and be less than 36 years old.
Graduate from the Special Forces (SF) Operations and Intelligence Sergeants Course (nonresident or resident) or SF Advanced Noncommissioned Officer's Course (ANCOC) after October 1994. SSGs who have not been selected for promotion to SFC may apply and if found acceptable, will be notified by the proponent that they may attend the O&I portion of ANCOC.
Minimum of 3 years experience at the SF Operational Detachment Alpha (SF-ODA) level or Special Forces
Current DA Form 330 (within one year) with at least a 1+/1+ language proficiency or possess a minimum score of 85 on the Defense Language Aptitude Batter (DLAB)
Meet the medical fitness standards for SF duty and the SERE level course according to AR 40-501 and include an SF Warrant Officer Candidate medical screening memorandum completed by the applicant's surgeon.
Pass the Army Physical Readiness Test (APRT) by achieving 70% of the maximum standard for a 17-21 year old male on each event: pushups, sit-ups, and the two-mile run.
Letters of recommendation from company, battalion, and group commanders and the group senior warrant officer. Individuals applying from units other than an SF group must receive letters of recommendation from their current chain of command and letters of recommendation from the previous SF group chain of command (including the group senior warrant officer advisor).
http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/warrant/prerequ/WO180A.html
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quote:
Originally posted by CR6
If he took a commission, he couldn't go back to SF until he was a 1LT (P),
That's not entirely true. He certainly couldn't go back in as an 18A (SF officer), but if his branch was one of the support MOSs that exist in SF he would probably have an excellent chance of getting back into USASOC, at least, if not into one of the groups.
For example, if he was an 18D who then became a PA (Physicians Assistant) they would very likely send him back to an SF unit. I've seen several SF-qual'd 1st and 2nd LT's who did exactly this. Another possibility would be going from 18E to Signal Corps and coming back in as a Sig Officer or Sig Det Commander (though most likely the commander would be a Capt.)
Remember, not everyone in an SF unit - even down to the company level - is SF branched or tabbed.
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quote:
Originally posted by martinjmpr
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Originally posted by CR6
If he took a commission, he couldn't go back to SF until he was a 1LT (P),
That's not entirely true. He certainly couldn't go back in as an 18A (SF officer), but if his branch was one of the support MOSs that exist in SF he would probably have an excellent chance of getting back into USASOC, at least, if not into one of the groups.
For example, if he was an 18D who then became a PA (Physicians Assistant) they would very likely send him back to an SF unit. I've seen several SF-qual'd 1st and 2nd LT's who did exactly this. Another possibility would be going from 18E to Signal Corps and coming back in as a Sig Officer or Sig Det Commander (though most likely the commander would be a Capt.)
Remember, not everyone in an SF unit - even down to the company level - is SF branched or tabbed.
Martin
Excellent point Martin. I've had lieutenant buddies who were signal officers in SF batts w/o long tabs. I was working off the assumption that the young man in question wanted to earn and keep an 18 series MOS.
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quote:
Excellent point Martin. I've had lieutenant buddies who were signal officers in SF batts w/o long tabs. I was working off the assumption that the young man in question wanted to earn and keep an 18 series MOS. quote:
From talking to the kid thats what I understood also. I'll talk to him again and ask just to make sure. I have referred him to this site so hopefully he'll post something or read it.
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Originally posted by Dirt Dart
Wow, an SF NCO waiting to turn 1lt(P) so he could go back. What a crazy-go-nuts hardcore hooah.[OO][thup]
You'd be surprised how many people do it. I've seen more than a few long-tabbed 2lts and 1lts. Most of them were medics (18ds) who became PA's.
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