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Oh yeah, in proportional inverse to the sweetness of Jewish wine!
OK, I'm thick. I don't get it.
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Seasoned Vet
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Basically saying yes real sour (Jewish wine is real sweet so the opposite of that is bitter or sour)
oh.
don'tcha just hate when you deliver a biting retort or clever witticism, but the recipient is too troglodytic to catch it?
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Not to get in the middle of the fray, but here's an interesting tidbit: Click on the below url, and look at the first picture.
http://www.groups.sfahq.com/command/01_09_07_change_of_command.htm
If you check out the color guard, you'll notice one soldier wearing a maroon beret. That's me. I carried the Special Forces Command Colors for General Lambert's Change of Command. General Toney wanted a "support guy" on the Color Guard, because he realized that Special Forces is a team effort and includes everybody.
The times turned sour. Four days after this event, I was giving MG Lambert his weekly intelligence briefing. Just as we were discussing the assassination of Ahmad Shah Masud (Northern Alliance leader of Afghanistan) and it's implications, the door opened and the General's aid stated that a plane had just hit the World Trade Center. The world changed forever that day.
Special Forces then went forth into the fray, taking down the government in Kabul and later playing a major role in Iraq. Regardless of how one feels about Special Forces, I'm damn glad that we have them in the U.S. Army.
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thirtyoneuniform, to put it in prospective for you, Rangers are the best light infantry in the world without a doubt. Special Forces recieves the same tactical training the Rangers do in patrolling, raids, ambushes, movement to contact, etc. etc. etc.
SF has the tactical skills to conduct Ranger operations and in fact has to be able to teach those very skills to foreign troops. However as highly trained as the Ranger Bn.s are they do not have the same skill sets to perform SF missions. Have SF units been tasked to conduct missions that are better suited to the Rangers...yes. SF units mine included performed Strategic Reconnaisance missions and "other" special Operations missions because for the longest time there was no Ranger Regiment or Ranger Surveillance or Reconnaissance units.
When LRSUs were activated in the mid to late 80s they relieved the SF units of alot of Surveillance type duties and let them focus on their bread and butter F.I.D. and training for UW and Coalition building. SF missions while seemingly impressive in made for Showtime movies are actually more mundane in many respects and require lots of area study and cross cultural communication preparation.
While the War on Terrorism has taxed the SF community I cannot concieve of SF teams being deployed without a good understanding of the area of operations. The one thing that all my Ranger buddies used to complain about was the SF propensity to trouble shoot all the contingencies, go into Isolation, and plan the mission to death...but that is what makes SF teams so successful...the details!
It took me a while to switch up from my old SF ways when training LRS soldiers how to do a shorter Iso period in preparation for a LRS mission. I think I learned how to streamline for a short term tactical surveillance mission and the teams learned how to cross train and contingency plan more in depth.
I believe that Rangers do hold a lot of positions now in the Special Operations community but that is a good thing as they are growing and learning that the Ranger way is not the only way to conduct a mission. Sometimes you need a shiv and not a f"ing hammer to get a job done. Things will balance out and the use of ODA's in both Afganistan and Iraq are a wake-up call to all that good ole SF teams are important to conduct the types of warfare and nation building that hard charging Rangers and SOAR units cannot conduct.
The new SF recruiting program will work out it's kinks and the bottom line is no SF trooper is gonna be on an ODA short of a year or so anyway and as long as there are SF troops from the ranks the new SFers will be integrated into the ODAs successfully. Have a good'un.
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In WWII we had:
Airborne infantry
Rangers [leg commando type infantry]
ParaMarines
Marine Raiders [leg commando type infantry]
The 1stSSF and OSS
We also had the first "UDT" frogmen from the Navy
After WWII the concept of the airborne infantry and rangers merged forming the RICAs of the Korean War. Later SF would claim lineage with the 1stSSF, the OSS, and the Alamo Scouts in the PTO. SF has also claimed lineage in the past with Merrill's Marauders and Rangers believe it or not.
During 'Nam we saw the concept of the Green Berets, SEALs, LRRPs and Force Recon take shape. Why? Because we knew that well trained infantry units both in the Army and USMC were not enough for a changing enemy and battlefield [specifically in a jungle environment with no defined lines - guerilla and C.I. warfare].
Currenty in SOCOM the only SOF infantry regiment is the 75th. The rest are special units who operate in 2, 6 or 12 man teams. The 75th has its purpose in SOCOM and so do the other units. The 75th is actually there to support the highly trained operators who could never have the firepower by themselves that the Rangers bring to the table.
It is obvious that the Ranger way is not the only way. That is why we have diversity in our SOF community. In the end all these units working together enforce the policies and objectives of these United States.
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Originally posted by thirtyoneuniform
Lastly, I've heard the 509th was a ranger reject unit, does that mean that's true or anything deeper.
You want to throw grendades at units you know nothing about and the men who serve in them you do it with someone else.[pissd][pissd][pissd][pissd][pissd][pissd][pissd][pissd][pissd]
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American GI. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
"History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over." COLONEL BULL SIMONS
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I see a blanket party coming.......[ ]
 When life sucks....make it swallow! "Modify the wedge! First squad! Bound!....."
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