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once again surfing the posts here getting my news update...seems msnbc and cnn have just dwindled down to nothing more than ashton kutcher and his old bag demi moore (yeah shes still hot and i would do her in a new york minute)...
anyway saw this is in a post
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For example, the 75th Rgr Reg has been getting more volunteers for RIP and ROP than they can fit in the existing 3 Batts. Why don't we form a 4th Batt?
i think that is a damn good question....i have always wondered why in the heck dont we have a reserve army ranger battalion or 2. like make the absolute requirements be that all members of the reserve batt. be tabbed? if one thinks about it they do have SF NG groups...dont they? so why not at least a reserve ranger batt.?
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Number one, the Reserves are CS and CSS units. I don't think there are any combat arms units left in the Reserves.
Second, part of what makes the 75th a cut above other infantry units is the discipline and living the life day in and day out. You won't get that with a unit that only does one weekend a month and two weeks a year. The LRS units in the NG come as close as anyone can so maybe it could work.
Finally, RANGER SCHOOL IS A LEADERSHIP SCHOOL!!!!! Your basic private(or degreed Specialist) coming straight out of OSUT and BAC does not have the requisite skills. Now since it isn't a requirement for cherries to go to Ranger School in order to be assigned to a Ranger unit that wouldn't be a problem.
What would be a problem is that to be able to do that cherries would have to attend RIP. I would think that given the washout rate at RIP state NG departments would not be too keen on the idea. After all, they would be paying for these soldiers to go through OSUT, BAC and RIP, and when they wash out in RIP they have to find another unit to place them in. That other unit would probably not be on status and so the money the state spent sending them to BAC is wasted, at least as far as the state is concerned.
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BA i completely and totally forgot about the indiana rangers...geesh and funny thing is i was raised in indiana and my mother who served in the Navy and indiana NG gave me a quite of bit of info on the indiana rangers...
geesh how could i have forgotten!!![dunce][bang]
btw 509 i can totally see your point...i think you make a great note of reasoning with regard to my question thanks [thup]
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Eyes, as I was writing that I was thinking about your response.
As for the Indiana Rangers, their mission was more like that of the current LRS units than the 75th Ranger Regiment.
My comment was based more on the current standards for remaining in the 75th after a soldier has successfully completed RIP. It is my understanding that the standards set by the 75th are much higher than those set by Vietnam Ranger companies. Standards of dress, personal appearance and tactical skills(prior to the activation of the 1st and 2nd Batts you had to be at least E-4 promotable to go to Ranger School) are so much more now than then, although I am not trying to disrespect anyone who served in any of those units.
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Eyes,
That is truly a record of valor and achievement, and you must be proud to be among its inheritors. That being said, your own description states the unit had a 26 week train-up period upon activation, prior to deploying to combat, and that several of the original members left the unit and were replaced by RA volunteers and draftees. Could you imagine the logisitics of a similar ramp up for a battalion's worth of troops? My .02
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Eyes, I understand what you are saying about the LRP capability as opposed to the LRS mission. My only concern is in regards to why the Ranger companies were all deactivated in favor of battalions. Companies are always attached to conventional units, i.e. Corps, divisions or brigades. The tendency in Korea and Vietnam was to misuse them by assigning them a conventional infantry mission making them nothing more than infantry shock troops. I would be concerned about that happening again.
As for the scrolls, all of the LRP companies had their own scrolls. I would give it back to the LRS units and have them wear it over the patch of the higher headquarters they are assigned to.
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As for NG SF units, one of the reasons that they exist is to try and "recapture" some of the skilled personnel who would otherwise be lost to the civilian world. Many SF tabbed soldiers only spend 8-10 years on active duty and then get out to pursue other career options. Without the RC SF units, all the money, time and effort that went into training those soldiers would be lost. Having SF units in the RC allows soldiers who have left active duty to still participate and still offer those valuable skills to the Army.
RC SF units also serve as "magnet units" for high-quality individuals who are not SF tabbed, but who are often Ranger-tabbed and/or Airborne qualified, to serve in the support units. In most cases, these guys would never join the Reserve Component if they only had conventional units to choose from (and they often turn down promotions if it means leaving the unit.) In fact, most RC SF units are filled with 82nd and Ranger Batt veterans (the 5/19th certainly is.)
Since the Ranger Batts do have such high standards of performance, perhaps another solution would be to increase the number of RC SF units. Bring back the 11th and 12th SFGs and put them in geographical areas that will allow all qualified RC soldiers to drill there.
Or this: Create a Reserve or NG Airborne Brigade, like the British have, again, to serve as a "magnet" for highly qualified soldiers.
Martin
PS: Speaking of British Reserve Airborne, has anyone heard from LewisG in the last 6 months or so?
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Eyes, the 75th does not control the training of LRS units through either Ranger School or LRSLC. That is done by the Ranger Training Brigade. The 75th is assigned to SOCOM while the RTB is a TRADOC asset.
My concern is not in regard to the training but in the employment of such company sized units. You can(and most certainly will [ ]) correct me if I'm wrong but the LRS mission is to provide tactical intelligence to it's higher HQ, brigade through corps. | | | |