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Tried the search feature but could not find what I was looking for, so if someone would be so kind as to answer a question...on the Class A jacket above the right pocket I know you can wear a regimental crest to show affiliation. This affiliation, is it a formal thing or do you just wear one from a former/current unit?
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It may be assigned as an affiliation of your first unit. It may if you've been around your choice of whatever affiliations you've had. My years thru the 70s I had none I don't remember it being done, in the 80s I think I was first assigned one and then changed it myself. Now since I was LRS it's the 75th, changed by the Army the lineage being LRRP/LRP to 75th to LRS.
So I guess your answer is your Regimental affiliation should reflect the lineage of some unit you've been assigned past or present and should be listed on your 2A.
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Thanks for the replies, you guys are right. According to AR 600-82 you apply for affiliation through your COC using form 4187. There's a table to make sure your mos is compatable with the regiment you're trying to affiliate with. Hmmph, I didn't know this. LRS traces it's lineage back to the 75th, and I'll have to find out where the Pathfinder Detachment goes to. Cool stuff [8D]
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There was no Pathfinder Company in Italy. There was a Rigger detachment(heavy drop) stationed at Camp Darby in Pisa and the BCT(by the various unit designations) in Vicenza.
What you heard is almost certainly C Company 509th, which was a Pathfinder company stationed at Ft. Rucker. The confusion occurs because the 1st Bn. 509th ABCT stationed in Vicenza had a Charlie Company, and at the same time there was a Charlie Company 509th in Ft. Rucker. It was an unusual situation where the same unit actually had two C companies. The Ft. Rucker company sent six troopers to Desert Storm. Three were killed and one was injured and captured when their chopper was shot down on the last day of the war.
Sf11b p, you are right, we did not do that in the seventies. That was something that was started after the Army went to the regimental system in the eighties. My understanding is that it is automatically your first unit, but you can submit the paperwork to change it or reenlist for the unit you want.
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From the PERSCOM Website:
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U.S. Army Regimental System
The purpose of the U.S. Army Regimental System (USARS) is to enhance combat effectiveness through a framework that provides the opportunity for affiliation, develops loyalty and commitment, fosters an extended sense of belonging, improves unit esprit, and institutionalizes the war fighting ethos.
Combat Arms soldiers (Air Defense Artillery, Armor, Aviation, Cavalry, Field Artillery, Infantry, and Special Forces) may affiliate with any of the combat arms regiments consistent with their primary military occupational specialty (PMOS), specialty code, special qualification identifiers (SQI), or additional skill identifiers (ASI). Combat Arms soldiers may change their regimental affiliation at any time; however, the regimental selection must be associated with the soldier’s PMOS or specialty. Most of the current combat arms regiments, along with restrictions, are listed in Table 7, AR 600-82.
Combat support (CS), combat service support (CSS), and Special Branch soldiers may also affiliate with their appropriate regiment which operates under a "whole branch" concept. For example, soldiers in Career Management Field (CMF) 71, may affiliate with the Adjutant General’s Corps Regiment; soldiers in CMF 91 may affiliate with the Army Medical Department Regiment.
All combat arms soldiers generally affiliate with a regiment upon arrival at their first unit of assignment. The CS, CSS, and Special Branch soldiers are usually affiliated with their regiment upon completion of advanced individual training (AIT), the Officer’s Basic Course, or Warrant Officer’s Candidate Course.
All regimental affiliation requests will be submitted through the chain of command to servicing Military Personnel Divisions or Personnel Services Battalions to PERSCOM for top of system loading to the Enlisted Record Brief or the Officer Record Brief. Requests for Regimental Affiliation from enlisted soldiers should be sent to: Commander, U.S. Total Army Personnel Command, ATTN: TAPC-EPS-C, 2461 Eisenhower Avenue, Alexandria VA 22331. Requests for Regimental Affiliation from Commissioned and Warrant Officers should be sent to: Commander, U.S. Total Army Personnel Command, ATTN: TAPC-OPE (Air Defense Artillery), or TAPC-OPE-A (Armor), or TAPC-OPE-V (Aviation), or TAPC-OPE-F (Field Artillery), or TAPC-OPE-I (Infantry), or OPE-SF (Special Forces), or TAPC-OPW (Warrant Officers), 200 Stovall Street, Alexandria, VA 22322
Forward grade, full name, SSN and MOS with all e-mail requests
Link to AR 600-82: http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/pdf/r600_82.pdf
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Window of opportunity history lesson.
http://home.earthlink.net/~brimelow/history.html
"After Anzio, the 509th conducted its fourth parachute assault and fifth combat assault spearheading the attack by the First Airborne Task Force at Le Muy, in southern France, on 15 August 1944. December 1944 saw the 509th attached to the 101st Airborne Division in time for the Battle of the Bulge. In another defensive mission, against incredible odds, the 509th held out from 22 to 30 December at Sadzot, Belgium, against two Panzer Grenadier Battalions, both elite German mechanized infantry units, and earned the battalion its second Presidential Unit Citation. In January, tasked with an offensive mission, the 509th advanced in the hills of St. Vith, Belgium, capturing and holding critical high ground for the passage of the 7th Armored Division. After the action, which left only seven officers and forty-eight enlisted men in the entire battalion, the 509th fell victim to reorganization one last time.
Toward the end of World War Two, separate Parachute Infantry Battalions were no longer considered necessary, and the 509th was disbanded on 1 March 1945, with the survivors and returning wounded being sent to the 82nd or 13th Airborne Divisions as replacements. The 509th was later reconstituted on 12 May 1947 in the Regular Army as Company A, 509th Parachute Infantry Battalion, and redesignated on 27 March 1963 as Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 1st Battalion, 509th Infantry, with subsequent assignment to the 8th Infantry Division.
The 509th was reactivated in Mainz, Germany, as two battalions, then later reduced to one battalion during the summer of 1973.
On 1 September 1973, the 509th was relieved from assignment to the 8th Army and subsequently moved to Vicenza, Italy. In 1975, one company of the 509th moved to the continental United States to fill the requirement for a company sized Airborne/ Pathfinder unit to support the United States Army Aviation Center at Fort Rucker, Alabama. The redesignation of the 509th Airborne Battalion Combat Team in Italy as the 4th Battalion, 325th Infantry in July 1983 left C Company, 509th Infantry (Airborne/Pathfinder) as the only remaining unit of the Regiment."
Now if there had been a company of Pathfinders in Italy it would have been after the 509th left Germany and arrived at Vicenza and Bosco Montico and between '73 and '75 to be the 509th. I doubt the 325th had Pathfinders I don't know about the 173rd.
The 1/509th now serves as OPFOR at the JRTC.
U.S. Army Pathfinders trace their lineage to the 505th Parachute Infantry Regiment.
Pathfinder web page
http://www.uspathfinders.org/history.html
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505th PIR, thank you sf11b p.
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