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Since we have so many high speed, low drag AIRBORNE NCOs on this site, I am curious to know how many here had the opportunity to compete for membership in the Sergeant Audie Murphy Club? Two of my NCOs in Korea earned entry into the SAMC, due to superior performance and hard work on their part, and the support and mentoring of the 1SG and Platoon Sergeants.
For those who don't know about the SAMC, here's some info:http://www.audiemurphy.com/samc.htm
I'm not asking to try to get anyone to brag on themselves, but I've been impressed with the membership here and last night it occured to me that we should have at least one SAMC member among our ranks.
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Nice site. That fact that it wasn't started until 1986 explains why I've never heard of it. I just have one question, which I didn't see on the site, and that is how is someone selected?
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Do you really want my opinion of such organizations? Haven't seen a Sgt. Moralez Club member yet who was worth a damn in the woods so if this is more of the same...
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The process is a combination of nomination and boarding. The candidates must be nominated by their chains of command in writing, IAW FORSCOM REG 215-7, SAMC.(http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/4514/ref-forscom215-7.html) The candidates must also include updated 2-1 Enlisted Records Briefs, a bio about themselves, and their latest PT and marksmanship records in the nomination packet. If these nominations are accepted, the candidates appear before a board of Sergeants Major and I'm told the boards are like promotion boards on steroids. My First Sergeant ran an off duty "school of the NCO" for any NCO in the battalion who was prepping for this, to include mock boards made up of SAMC members. The partcipants were usually from our company. The actual boards were usually made up of the BDE CSMs, with the Division CSM as president. The boards also receive copies of every candidate's leaders book before hand, and the board questions include items regarding the troops under their leadership, in addition to the current events, and doctrinal questions normally asked. I even got to play a very minor supporting role by giving some classes on 25-100/25-101 and METL development to the candidates. It's definitely one honor that is not a watered down "gimme".
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quote:
Originally posted by khyros
Do you really want my opinion of such organizations? Haven't seen a Sgt. Moralez Club member yet who was worth a damn in the woods so if this is more of the same...
Having never been assigned to USAEUR, I don't know much about the SGT Morales club. From what I've seen, the nomination and board critera are the same, but I don't know about quality of members. I've been uniformly impressed by the SAMC members I've worked with.
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CR6,
The issue I have with such things is the same as with soldier/NCO of the month/year/weekend nonsense. Pretty damned annoying to be the one picking up the slack because Sgt. X is never in the field. In many units, success at such boards is more than enough of an excuse to keep said personnel in garrison so they can study for the next level of competition. Knew one E5 who was runner-up for the Army wide NCO of the year... he was sharp as a tack on regurgitating answers to questions but about useless as a combat leader. During a one year period, he held a team leader slot... yet only went to the woods for one major field problem which led to his being relieved for endangering his men (did some real stupid things during a squad MTC live-fire...) Now, you could say this was the organization's fault for placing so much emphasis on his success at those boards... but that would be shifting blame from the fact that as a professional NCO, his main goal should of been keeping himself mission capable.
Far as I'm concerned, NCOs should leave such cocktail clubs to the officers because we have enough on our plates as it is to be proud of. The nation entrusts us to train and lead their young men into battle... kids whose trust in our capabilitys is too sacred to be overshadowed by self-serving glorification. If you want to be part of a truly elite group, than go SF...
Sorry for the rant, maybe my experiences with such things doesn't match the norm...
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quote:
Originally posted by khyros
CR6,
The issue I have with such things is the same as with soldier/NCO of the month/year/weekend nonsense. Pretty damned annoying to be the one picking up the slack because Sgt. X is never in the field. In many units, success at such boards is more than enough of an excuse to keep said personnel in garrison so they can study for the next level of competition.
Now, you could say this was the organization's fault for placing so much emphasis on his success at those boards... but that would be shifting blame from the fact that as a professional NCO, his main goal should of been keeping himself mission capable.
Far as I'm concerned, NCOs should leave such cocktail clubs to the officers because we have enough on our plates as it is to be proud of. The nation entrusts us to train and lead their young men into battle... kids whose trust in our capabilitys is too sacred to be overshadowed by self-serving glorification.
Sorry for the rant, maybe my experiences with such things doesn't match the norm...
I understand the rant. Your experiences and opinions are valid and pertinet to the discussion. I concur that if a NCO's reason for existence becomes prepping for boards and he never levens that book knowledge with practical experience and then uses all of his know-how and experience to train troops, then the tail is wagging the dog. My experience in the 82nd w/ NCO/Trooper of the year is that candidates got a two week train up for CTT, marksmanship and board-prep, and then executed. I was never aware of any one being pulled out of the woods to prep longer than that. One NCO in our battalion won Division jumpmaster of the year, and he was always leading his squad when in the field. He studied on his own time and got more than enough practice w/ JMPI just on regular jumps.
As far as these being officer-type cocktail clubs, well let's agree to disagree there. I've never heard of an officer of the year competition or a "CPT Matt Urban Club". [ ] There is a DA level MacArthur Award for company grade officers, but that's not a head to head competition. An officer's troops earn that award for him/her with THEIR performance.
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Since being here on my compassionate I have seen more in depth on how they run, with everything else you get the booksmart sh!tbags who make it due to their memory retainability and the ones that are in the trenches with their joes get kicked out due to a uniform discrepancy or something to that extent. I do know though, according to regs. is you can become an honorary member to SAMC if you are a SFC Morales member and vice versa. Something to think about if you go OCONUS or if you are coming back stateside.
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