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| Don't ask Don't tell is nothing more than a ticket out of the military for those who wish to exercise it. Those who are gay and in the military clearly know the attitudes of those around them and I would expect that most are in the 'dont tell' crowd anyway. Do you go around asking if someone is straight? Bottom line here... just dump the concept since it seems that the only time this even comes into play is when someone gets outted by accident OR they want out of the military and they either out themselves OR pretend to be gay to get the ticket home. Without this policy if someone gets outted then let the military deal with it as a 'good of the military' IF the command feels that the issue will be a problem based on the men/women IN that command. Quit making overriding policy on stuff that is more unit level oriented and let the COMMANDERS do thier job and decide what is in the best interest of thier own unit. If you let this policy die quietly and let the commanders deal with it locally as needed then I think it takes the political issues off the table and can free up some brain cells high up to do better things.
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Mark, that is why it was such a failure and even though it was seen as such it continued as policy.
I am not that naive to believe that there were gays serving while I was in. Even well before that idiotic fiasco of a policy.
There were very few issues that I saw regarding homosexuals prior to that policy coming into play.
You are correct, scrap it all together and let commanders do their job without a huge albatross hanging over their heads like they have now.
Thing is, that is not the agenda being pushed, and again I fully believe it will come to pass that they will change the regulations to allow openly gay service members. As well as all the other baggage that "acceptance" brings to the table, that soceity as a whole is not accepting.
Abraham Lincoln (quiet, reserved and selfless): “The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here” -Gettysburg Address
Obama (egotistical): “Now the world will watch and remember what we do here”
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| It's going to be interesting to see what happens when Spc. Snuffy shows up with his gay spouse (courtesy of the MA or CT courts) and asks to move into family housing. For that matter, the potential of fraud is enormous: Let's say two heterosexual buddies are sick and tired of living in the barracks and eating at the mess hall. What's to prevent them from forming a "civil union" and getting BAQ and BAS, not to mention family separation pay and all the other "family" benefits? Who's going to say they're NOT gay? To say nothing of the fact that the last thing we need in the military is to create another "victim class" for EO purposes. Now if SSG Brown gets passed up for promotion she's going to say it was because she was a lesbian and her commander hates lesbians. Creates conflict and dissention in the ranks and hurts readiness. Not to mention the cost... Don't forget all the mandatory "tolerance" classes that will be required for all troops (it's not like they have anything better to do, like fight a war...) Can't wait to see all the gay bars open up near Bragg! Maybe someone will open one up called "The Packed Chute." 
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martinjmpr (11/19/2008)
It's going to be interesting to see what happens when Spc. Snuffy shows up with his gay spouse (courtesy of the MA or CT courts) and asks to move into family housing. For that matter, the potential of fraud is enormous: Let's say two heterosexual buddies are sick and tired of living in the barracks and eating at the mess hall. What's to prevent them from forming a "civil union" and getting BAQ and BAS, not to mention family separation pay and all the other "family" benefits? Who's going to say they're NOT gay? To say nothing of the fact that the last thing we need in the military is to create another "victim class" for EO purposes. Now if SSG Brown gets passed up for promotion she's going to say it was because she was a lesbian and her commander hates lesbians. Creates conflict and dissention in the ranks and hurts readiness. Not to mention the cost... Don't forget all the mandatory "tolerance" classes that will be required for all troops (it's not like they have anything better to do, like fight a war...) Can't wait to see all the gay bars open up near Bragg! Maybe someone will open one up called "The Packed Chute." Come on... there is the same potential for THAT happening as there is a guy and a girl saying screw it and getting hooked up to do the same thing. If the military requires that there be a legal marriage in order to get those quarters/benefits then it still takes the same paperwork gay or straight to get it done. Its still fraud and I dont believe you're going to get two STRAIGHT barracks rats to play GAY in the military just to get quarters.
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Though I agree with the idea that the military must have different rules than the rest of society, this is another denial of rights based on differences of a group of people. I will state, for the record, I have no problem with homosexuals in the military. As long as the same rules for EO apply to everyone equally, I could care less. A homosexual should have just as much right as us heterosexuals to stand up and be proud of serving his/her country, no matter sexual orientation.
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[quote]mazzi (11/18/2008)
More than 100 call for repeal of military's 'don't ask, don't tell' policyhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27774058/?GT1=43001[/quote] Ever notice how someone always picks the scab off this subject just around election times when a new administration is coming in? I don't think it is the military bringing it up so WHO THE HELL IS? And WHY? Gays aren't discriminated against as a matter of military policy unless one thinks that soldiers should have their sexual orientation in their records or on the dog tags or something. What the hell is THE POINT? If one doesn't discuss it there is no issue unless some ass hole makes it one by discriminating based on sexual orientation. I just get so tired of the same old shit being recycled again and again and again
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"The Packed Chute"!!! Coffee and snot all over my keyboard and screen. Somebody better copyright that one NOW.
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