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zulueta73 (8/1/2008)
P.s don't call soldiers "candy ass" its considered sexual harrassment almost got trouble for it. The 25th Dimension started to implement mandatory sensitivity training in the early '90s. Training like this and the then newly-implemented BOSS program in which Joe wielded more power than the NCO Corps were instrumental in my decision to pop smoke in '96. While these programs may be appropriate in the civilian sector, it is astounding that civilian social engineers were able, let alone permitted, to initiate these "feel good" programs in the service.

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| IMHO! I got out of the Army in '91 just after DS. One of my main reasons for getting out was because of what we are discussing here. I came back into the Guard in '02 and have now been on Active Duty with Reserves for a couple of years now. I can honestly say that what we are discussing has gotten worse (two fold). I am not just speaking from observing N.G. and Reservist. I presently work with AD soldiers as an OC/T. When an individual assumes a "LEADERSHIP" position, they have/need to understand that they are "LEADERS"! That understanding has gone to the wayside and the mentality now (for the most part) is about the power they have. More and more they abuse it and get away with it because that has become what is "normal". It's a damn shame to see a SNCO who thinks that if a soldier can tolerate his petty harassment, he must be a good soldier. It's a shame to see a SNCO openly show favortism and get away with it. I could go on and on here but my point is, some NCO's have forgotten that they are "LEADERS" and with that comes the responsibilty of "LEADING" not being obsessed with your power and abusing it.
_________________________________________________ "Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ~ Anonymous
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| Well I agree that there have been unqualified troops promoted to fill slots but during my time as EM I also saw cases where you couldn't get promoted in a peacetime unit. When I was with 1/505 ABG and 2/509 at Mainz in 59-63 rank was almost impossibile to make. We had the slots filled at TOE rates by folks on other SD(rifle team, football team, boxing team) and there weren't any blood stripes. We sent PFCs back to CONUS with over 2 years in grade and no disipinary problems. In D 1/505 we had 44 E-4s and 42 were drawing pro pay in what is now 11B(which went to the top 10% in that pay grade). When I made E-5 I had over 4 years in grade. I finished 1st on a board that had over 40 people competing for stripes when they came down, at the time there were no allocations for promotions in our unit. We eventually got 3 allocations for E-5 about 4 months later. In peacetime promoting the unqualified can see if they can hack it if not bust em and give the blood stripe to a junior qualifed troop. In combat situtations usually the unqualified are found out. The hope is some troop or troops don't die due to incompetence. As far as strength most rifle companies I served in were up to up to TOE for about 6 months and then the steady loss of troops to SD meant most rifle companies operated at about 50%. Sometimes we went to the field with 2 understrength rifle squad and a weapons sqd. The only thing more difficult to understand than manning levels was why every poncho leaked.
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Jumpmaster_AJ (8/1/2008) IMHO!
I got out of the Army in '91 just after DS. One of my main reasons for getting out was because of what we are discussing here. I came back into the Guard in '02 and have now been on Active Duty with Reserves for a couple of years now. I can honestly say that what we are discussing has gotten worse (two fold). I am not just speaking from observing N.G. and Reservist. I presently work with AD soldiers as an OC/T. When an individual assumes a "LEADERSHIP" position, they have/need to understand that they are "LEADERS"! That understanding has gone to the wayside and the mentality now (for the most part) is about the power they have. More and more they abuse it and get away with it because that has become what is "normal". It's a damn shame to see a SNCO who thinks that if a soldier can tolerate his petty harassment, he must be a good soldier. It's a shame to see a SNCO openly show favortism and get away with it. I could go on and on here but my point is, some NCO's have forgotten that they are "LEADERS" and with that comes the responsibilty of "LEADING" not being obsessed with your power and abusing it.
I got out in 96 for many of the same reasons Jumpmaster AJ mentions above.
I saw too many soldiers who could not handle the responsibility of being an E-4 promoted to E-5, and E-5s who never learned their first responsibilities were to the Mission and the Troops, not to themselves get selected for BNOC.
IMHO it takes years and experience to build a high quality NCO and there are not shortcuts -- and despite the old saying that "leaders are trained and not born," I do think that some guys should never be put in a leadership position (and also that some guys are naturals and handle the responsibility well).
Airborne Engineers: stoppers of the unstoppable; movers of the immovable.
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Got out in 97, nothing more funny than the two of us Spc that had to teach the Sgts how to pack some cargo chutes because 1 got sgt as a grunt, reclassed and was put in charge of Pack, the other had spent 4 years as an AD dog and had no clue how to pack a T-10 let alone an extraction chute. But we went ahead and trained them so that they could do the Rigger checks on the Chutes I ended up being the only person that packed them. The first one was a good guy and most likely had a great career, the second one got booted out for being a fat ass, and he wouldn't do anything to loose weight
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| When I joined the Army there were still a lot of Korean War vets on active duty and I heard more than one of them state that most units had 2 sets of NCOs. One group ran the company when they were on line the other group when they were in a rear area. It seems the front line NCOs had a habit of getting drunk and into fights in the rear areas which aggravated the honchos. They also would take off for a couple of days but they always showed up when it was time to back up to the front. However in places like RVN and Iraq there isn't a front so you can't hide weak sisters.
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