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Posted 2/7/2007 10:42 PM


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Scott Helvenston, former USN SEAL

Scott completed BUDS at age 17 making him the youngest sailor to complete one of the toughest schools in the U.S. military.  Scott's charred decapitated body was hung from a bridge in Fallujah on March 31st, 2004.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Helvenston

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_USA

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Posted 2/8/2007 5:15 AM


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I had no idea you could join at 16. Did he even graduate high school?

 

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Posted 2/8/2007 12:27 PM


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I have to take this with a grain of salt! Any information in Wikipedia is provided by the users and not verified. During a brief Google search I found only two mentions of the "youngest sailor" when referring to Helveston. In an interview of Scott's mother, she mentions that he completed BUDS at age 17, but no mention of enlisting at 16. I think one of our recruiters can shed some light on this, maybe they can sign their contract at 16, but still have to wait until 17 to actually enlist.


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Posted 2/8/2007 1:35 PM


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Ert, all internet sources have to be taken with a grain of salt.

My experience in Iraq dealing with operators from companies like these...

http://www.triplecanopy.com

http://www.blackwaterusa.com

...is that they saw their PSD/mercenary status as a step up from their former military days and looked down on the rest of us serving in Iraq.  We had a problem with them not following any ROE or having a different ROE from that issued to the military.  If they created a mess we had to go in a clean it up.  In the past 4 years this has created many problems with civilians in Iraq.

I saw the deposition yesterday from family members that lost loved ones on March 31st, 2004 in Fallujah [Congress].  They blame Blackwater for not providing them with armored SUVs or even maps of the area they were being sent to.  The fact is that at that time both private contractors and the U.S. military were still waking up from "insurgency denial" and risks were being taken because "nothing had happened yet" until their white SUVs were lit up that day.

After that massacre we saw how PSD details [private contractors] took steps to up-armor their vehicles with steel and even kevlar found in country.  They also obtained crew-served weapons.  They would build a cage of steel in the back of their SUVs and would place a crew-served there for rear security.  Many of them also obtained more MP5s and M4s for individual operators and "interceptor" like vests.  They also never again simply strolled into any town considered dangerous like the March 31st guys did.  During that time it was simply a matter of time before a contractor vehicle movement got lit up. 

No movement in Iraq should ever be considered "routine".  Not if you want to live to tell about your time over there.  That applies to both the military and civilians doing work in that dump.  Those guys paid a price so the rest would take steps to tighten up.

I saw the testimony of two moms and two wives yesterday in Congress related to those Fallujah KIA hooahs [2004].  I hate to say it but that is in a nutshell what happened to them.  They dropped their guard or never had their guard up.  However, it is true that Blackwater has made every attempt to keep them in the dark regarding what really happened to their loved ones on that day [or what kind of intel brief they got or not before they departed Baghdad].  That is because it was gruesome and they have been afraid of a huge lawsuit against their company. 

Fallujah raghead youngsters even played soccer with the charred/decapitated heads of those Blackwater contractors...their brains eventually spilled out of the cracked skulls. 


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Another take on the guy below which says he entered at 17.

I remember the the guy from the movie and Combat Missions but never really formed an opinion about him. I guess my one take is that is he spent 12 years in the SEALs. More time than I made it in anything truly high speed. That alone he deserves my respect for being a BTDT type of guy. Fame has a funny way of changing people. And that is what appears to me happened.

For all I know he was living on his legacy when he hired on with Blackwater. Whether hd did it because he wanted to get back to what he knew or he did it because of the money he needed after going bankrupt who knows.

Since we only know the aftermath, I hope that he took a bunch of them out before they got to him and the others.

Whether he was 16 or 17 when he enlisted he was still the youngest to graduate. That has not been disputed.



Scott Helvenston, 38, a former U.S. Navy SEAL who was one of the principal stars of the USA Television reality series Combat Missions, has been identified as one of the four Americans who were killed and then abused after death in an ambush by Iraqi terrorists in Fallujah, Iraq on March 31.

Helvenston, who bounced around northern Florida with his mother and younger brother after the death of his father in a car crash when he was 7, enlisted in the Navy at age 17 and then became the youngest-ever graduate of SEAL training. He spent the next 12 years as a SEAL, including 4 years as a SEAL instructor in free fall. After leaving the SEALs in 1994, Scott found work as Demi Moore's training instructor for the 1997 movie G.I. Jane, in which Demi becomes a Navy SEAL -- and he was also cast as a SEAL instructor and stuntman in the film, his only film role.

The movie gave Scott a taste of the Hollywood life, and his next few years were spent in the peripheries of the movie business. He was a consultant for the Nicholas Cage-John Travolta film Face/Off. He made an exercise video entitled Navy Seal - Total Body Workout (which is still available). He subsequently made two more exercise videos, Ultimate Aerobic Workout and Ab Blast (the three-video set is available here).


But Scott remained on the fringes of show biz until he and his wife Tricia led a team in the 2000 Raid Gauloises -- an adventure race held in Kathmandu, Nepal that was scouted by the producer of USA Television's Eco-Challenge adventure race, Mark Burnett. Scott had originally met Mark Burnett at the 1993 Raid Gauloises (which came one year after Burnett first set up his company EcoChallenge Lifestyles, Inc. to promote the sport ... but two years before the first EcoChallenge).

Although the Helvenston's "Team Intergize.com" only finished 31st out of the 39 teams that completed the race (another 30 teams failed to complete it), Burnett remembered his fellow ex-commando. When Burnett became a superstar producer with the success of Survivor later that year and was contemplating making a series involving competing commando teams, which ultimately became Combat Missions, Scott was one of his first selections.

Scott became the most prominent member of the Delta Team on Combat Missions, in part because of his bizarre and unpredictable behavior. His most famous quote came in Episode 13, the episode in which his team was eliminated and he threw two tantrums: "I’m psychologically disturbed."

According to the Orlando Sentinel, Scott's exercise videos were a huge financial failure that drained his savings. Scott and Tricia divorced, although both remained in Oceanside, CA and Scott had daily contact with their children Kyle, 14, and Kelsey, 12.

The Orlando Sentinel quoted Tricia thusly: "I want everyone to know he died a hero, and what he was doing was very heroic and courageous. He was a wonderful father and a wonderful person. He will be missed by many." His younger brother Jason, 32, who was only 1 when their father died, said about Scott, "He was a hero all his life. He was my hero all my life. And he was probably the best father I have ever known."

In Iraq, Scott was slated to make $60,000 for three months' work for North Carolina-based Blackwater Security Consulting, a subcontractor providing security for the delivery of food in the Fallujah area. Scott's friend William Nissen, an ex-U.S. Army Ranger who was also on Delta Squad in Combat Missions, said that Scott was "basically a fearless type. But I wouldn't say reckless. He knew what he was getting himself into." And Scott's friend and fellow ex-SEAL Mark Divine said that Scott saw this as both a financial boost and a chance to see the combat that he never saw while in the U.S. Navy. "His feeling was, 'If your time is up, there's going to be a bullet out there with your name on it.' "

The Fallujah attack apparently happened during Scott's first month in Iraq. As has been widely reported, including by the Associated Press, a three-car convoy carrying food to Fallujah was ambushed by Islamic terrorists. In the ensuing battle, one of the cars was set ablaze, while the other two escaped. The four Americans in the burning car, including Scott, were the security detail. After their death, their charred bodies were attacked and mutilated by a crazed Iraqi mob, which drug them through the streets and hung them from a bridge.

Speaking to the Associated Press, Mark Burnett (who is now a superstar producer with The Restaurant and The Apprentice to his credit in addition to Survivor and Eco-Challenge) said, "It's not only horrible when someone dies whom you know and respect, but in the way it happened, it makes you sick." Burnett also said that it didn't surprise him that Scott had gone to Iraq to help in the U.S. reconstruction effort: "That's what, in a time of need, true American warriors like Scott would do."

If we may allow ourselves a moment of embarassment, we were very critical of Scott during Combat Missions. Our summary of his last episode even refers to him as "a total embarrassment to his team, his nation, and the Navy SEALs." In fact, the manner in which Scott Helvenston died -- sacrificing his life while the people that he was guarding escaped -- proves that we completely misread Scott's true character. All we can do now is offer our condolences to his family ... and our solidarity with the ongoing effort to root out terrorism in Iraq.




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SEALs are at the same leve as SF, PJ, and Force Recon operators.  He served in the SEALs from 1982 until 1994 and a lot of shit went on around the globe during those 12 years.  God only knows what type of missions he participated in during that time.  If he hung in a team for 12 you know he had the right stuff.


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Posted 2/12/2007 8:24 AM


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Been my understanding that their vehicle was disabled and the occupants were out of commision when the ambush was initiated. Sad...

 

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Posted 2/12/2007 9:25 AM