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Posted 7/21/2004 4:41 AM


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Elite Soldiers Leaving for Higher Pay

Wednesday, July 21, 2004

WASHINGTON — Just when the U.S. military needs them most, senior Green Berets (search), Navy SEALs (search) and other elite forces are leaving for higher-paying jobs.

After getting years of training and experience in the military, they leave for other government jobs or for what defense officials said Tuesday has been an explosion in outside contractor work.

"What makes them so valuable to us makes them highly marketable on the outside," said Chief Master Sgt. Robert V. Martens Jr., senior adviser at the U.S. Special Operations Command (search), which also oversees equipping and training elite Army Rangers and Air Force special operations commandos.

Better salaries, retirement benefits and educational opportunities are among incentives that might help stem the problem, defense officials said as they met with lawmakers to discuss ways to keep forces who have become so crucial to the war on terror.

A soldier, sailor or airman gets $60,000 per year at 18 years of service — a figure that includes housing allowance and some types of special duty pay. Troops who go to work for civilian contractors can make up to $200,000 a year, one official has said.

The military command that oversees the covert forces "is the nation's single best weapon in the global war on terror," said Rep. Jim Saxton, R-N.J. Saxton opened Tuesday's session before his House Armed Services Committee terrorism subcommittee, saying he fears the military is losing such troops faster than they can be replaced for a counter-terror war that "has no foreseeable end point."

Officials from the command based in Tampa, Fla., didn't give specific numbers but said the Army, Navy and Air Force are all seeing an increasing trend in which senior people are retiring at their 20-year mark, though they could remain on active duty for several more years.

Force Master Chief Clell Breining, senior adviser at the Naval Special Warfare Command, said there has been a decline in people staying beyond the 10- to 14-year mark since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

"We are not looking to retain every single person to their 30-year tenure, but we are looking to retain a key experience base to lead our younger, less experienced troops out into the field into combat," Martens said.

It can take four years just to train a special operations soldier and another few years of field experience before he or she is top-notch.

Martens said troops are taking "the skills that we have trained them with" and starting second careers in the civilian sector or moving into other government agencies.

The special operations command has been working with the services and the office of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to identify incentives to keep senior people, Martens said. Worse retention problems can be averted, he said.

To some extent the government has helped create the growing market outside its doors. Both the Defense Department and the CIA have hired private contractors to cover their own manpower shortages, especially in skills such as linguistics and prisoner interrogation.

The military has contracted out some chores to save troops for soldiering duties. There are some 20,000 private security guards watching over U.S. officials, convoys and private workers in Iraq — some under government contract and some hired by private companies.

The CIA often uses independent contractors who are hired for short-term assignments. While they sometimes are recruited by and work through a private company, they can also be contracted directly by the agency.

Some of the private companies have been started and are led by retired generals, other military officers and former CIA employees.

Overall spending on federal contracts increased about 42 percent from 2000 to 2003 — from $205 billion to $291 billion — according to a report issued in May by Rep. Henry Waxman of California, the senior Democrat on the House Government Reform Committee. The Army, Air Force and Navy accounted for 55 percent of all federal contract spending in 2003, he said.

The work of the military's special operations forces has greatly expanded in recent years, with them playing a central role in efforts to hunt down, capture or kill terrorists and help train other nation's forces in the counter-terror fight.

Special operations forces played a crucial part in helping local Afghan forces topple the Taliban regime in Afghanistan in 2001 and have figured prominently in the war in Iraq.

Since the war on terror started, the Pentagon has gotten extra money to fund additional equipment for special operations as well as to train more forces.

There are currently under 50,000 such troops, including reservists, and there are plans to increase the total by a few thousand over the next several years.



"Hundreds of thousands of American servicemen and women are deployed across the world in the war on terror. By bringing hope to the oppressed, and delivering justice to the violent, they are making America more secure. "
George W. Bush
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Posted 7/21/2004 1:43 PM


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Many Special Ops types just get tired of dealing with the bonehead Conventional military types who often enforce absurd regulations like haircuts and shaving and uniform standards when Special Ops types return from base camps to rear areas to resupply, and other types of business needed to be taken care of. After dickdancing with these clueless wonders about relaxed grooming standards and Operational requirements some of them finally just get fed up with the anal retentive NCOs and Officers who just don't "get it" and insist on operating as if in a peacetime mode in a combat environment. Duh...how many combat Soldiers want to be treated as if they are inconviencing these career tracked ticket punchers when they get to take 10 minutes out from combat Ops? Then to find out that these rear area commandos are probably getting the R&R slots, promotions etc,. and putting themselves in for underserved awards just puts the icing on the cake. Hell why not make 2 or 3 times more and not have to put up with these REMF sausage molestors. Course that's just my take on it and I could be wrong...

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Posted 7/21/2004 3:06 PM


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I couldn't agree more JMPMASTR. Wasn't it in Afgannieland that the Army made our operators shave off their beards? They grew those breads to blend in and gain respect from the local Muslim Men. (When in Rome, Do As The Romans.


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Posted 7/21/2004 6:37 PM


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If I remember correctly, it was the Red Cross that whined really loudly that they couldn't tell the difference between the (friendly) SOF types and the enemy.

Then there was the photo of the operator that removed his shirt and wrapped it around his head.  The clueless press labelled him as a "Rambo", when in fact their own photos show him using it to cover a head wound.




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Posted 7/22/2004 4:21 AM


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Isn't that the point, that they look like the locals? Thats good for our guys.
I remember seeing that photo. Wasn't that after an attempt on the Afgannie PM's life? The Hooah in the photo was assigned as bodyguard I though.



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Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759

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Jesus Christ and the American Soldier.

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Posted 7/24/2004 5:50 AM


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Civilian PSD companies like Blackwater and Triple Canopy pay former SOF operators (Army, AF, Navy, and Marines) over six figures to come to places like this.  Why stay in as an E-6, E-7 or E-8 and deal with loser leg pricks like Dale was referring to.




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Posted 7/26/2004 7:37 PM


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Im looking into a job offer (security) from KBR/Halliburton . Anyone know the dirt on this outfit and how it's security details are used and deployed in Iraq?




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Posted 7/27/2004 12:50 PM